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soliddragonshay

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  02:11:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm relatively new to the study of hypnosis and I have a suggestion and a question

First of all, I stand to be corrected, but from what I've read so far, I think "Covert Persuasion" is a more appropriate term than 'Covert hypnosis", because since under hypnosis, you cannot be made to do what you initially may not want have wanted to. now for my question.

About three years ago, something strange happened with my brother. Then it was said to have been voodoo- since I come from Africa, but now I know better- he was hypnotized . When asked to recall the whole event that transpired, he said he couldn't remember everything that happened, but he recalled that a stranger had spoken to him from his car, told him (my brother) some things about himself that he couldn't possibly have known, and then my brother acted upon the stranger's instructions . Now my mother is quite strict and tempramental, and under normal circumstances, he would know better than to even break the lock of her room, when she was out, which he did.. But not only that, he also took some of her jewelry and valuables, and gave them to the stranger. It was after the stranger left that he realized that he had done something "stupid".
Now points to note here:
1. Breaking and entering in to his own mother's room, and giving away her jewlery to a stranger was definitely "against his moral code", and he'd never done anything like that before. ( he was about 16 at the time)
2. He didn't realize what he'd done until some minutes after the stranger had left.
3. Cases like this were quite frequent in that period in my home country, and there were many kidnap cases related to this.
Now my question is, if it was indeed hypnosis, then how was he made to do something against his will, if it wasn't voodoo? (which of course i do not believe in)

patrickg

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  10:30:05 AM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There are many variations to questions like this. The constant seems to be the person asking the question is never the person that it happened to. This inherently leaves gaps in the story that, when filled in, make more sense.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
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soliddragonshay

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  11:16:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I truly understand your point, but it does not solve the question. I was the first person he told immediately after it happened and he "realized" what he did. Besides, it's not like a friend told a friend and all that, it was my brother. And, cases like this were aired on the news on television, so it's not just events that people talked about. The question is still open, what made these people do these things against their moral code?
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patrickg

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  11:33:39 AM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
With hypnotic, or ANY, suggestion, there is a behavioral balancing dynamic.

For example:
If a suggestion is given to a person to steal something from another, there are influences on both sides of the decision.

If you can imagine a old fashioned balance scale. One one side of this scale are the reasons NOT to do this thing. On the other side are the reasons TO do this thing. Different people will have different things on either side of this scale depending on their past experiences. And, the things on either side can be influenced, to a certain degree, by suggestions and perceptions.

Steal this jewelry to get revenge on grandma.
Loan this jewelry so your grandma won't get in trouble for the money she owes me.
Steal this jewelry and I won't hurt your family.
Borrow this jewelry to get some money for something.
Show me the jewelry and I'll tell you how much it is worth.

Different ways of saying something that achieves the same result Twisting the perception so it is NOT against the individuals moral code.
This isn't necessarily hypnosis... mostly old fashioned manipulation. An unethical hypnotist could use it as well as anyone else.


Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com

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patrickg

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  11:35:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
And:

"The question is still open, what made these people do these things against their moral code?"

You can not say anything MADE them do something.. if that were possible...... well, it would be widely used, don't you think? Don't believe everything you see, hear, or read.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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soliddragonshay

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  11:51:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's true, Patrick. Influencing someone to do something wrong by blackmail, or leveraging with some promise of benefits of any sort, and other means is actually...normal. I had run into some of these people myself actually, once or twice, and one common thing about them i noticed is that they first asked a confusing question, like, a location that certainly did not exist. And, whether i answered yes or no, they just went into long talks about...anything. Then i did not even know anything about hypnosis, I was still, 19, i think, then. But I'd heard about kidnap stories and other con jobs by people like these, so I always ignored them.
What leaves me wondering is how someone his age and intelligence could be fooled into doing something that would definitely land him into trouble. Not only him, like I said, it was quite rampant then, and it was reported on the news, it wasn't just hearsay.
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soliddragonshay

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  11:53:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
By the way, it was our mother,not our grandma
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MJAshton

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  12:07:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit MJAshton's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Your question relating to hypnosis has been answered extremely helpfully so I won't reply on that score - but I will just add this little note here to highlight the old Occam's razor situation re: your brother's story about what happened. Sometimes it's hard to admit and I don't wish to offend you with this, but I would consider all avenues as to the explanation, and start with the more obvious ones. But that's just me :)

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soliddragonshay

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  12:18:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, MJ, like you said, I'm considering all avenues as to the explanation. And the most notable point in what PatrickG said is the one about manipulating perceptions, which i feel can also be seen as affecting belief systems, which can be quite a powerful tool both for good and evil purposes. And as for me being offended, far from it, I see this as a discussion, not an argument, and i wish to learn. Thanks for your contribution guys.
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patrickg

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  12:23:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sorry about the grandma/mother mix-up. : )

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
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soliddragonshay

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Posted - 08/08/2009 :  12:39:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No offense taken, Patrick, thanks. :)
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hypknomark

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Posted - 08/17/2009 :  2:20:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit hypknomark's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well, it depends on the situation. As a child I was fortunate to be able to watch my father hypnotize people in our home. On one occasion he was working with a young woman from his office and before he hypnotized her, he explained that people will not do anything against their will. He went on to say, if I told Beth to remove all her clothes she would not do that, because she would not normally do that sort of thing. However, if I told her she was a stripper and she was at work and the music was playing, who knows what would happen!

Mark

Mark V Johnson
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Edited by - hypknomark on 08/17/2009 2:59:45 PM
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