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nispelsm

USA
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Posted - 08/20/2009 :  1:11:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I've had a Eureka moment.

Last night, I tried some things different for my usual evening audio session. I have been having trouble reaching deeper than a medium level of trance from a waking state. Yet, at night when I am trying to fall alseep, my subconscious mind would sometimes latch on to that moment right before, and I would experience a few brief seconds of focus within a deep level of trance (or at least, it's way different than any of my waking attempts).

So, I finally decided to plan a waking session for bedtime (something I usually avoided to avoid confusing the two things further). I cued up a session that gives you the choice to wake up or drift off to sleep on the countup at the end. I made all preperations, donned a set of lighweight headphones, went to bed, and started the session.

The second thing I did, that everyone seems to say not to do, was after the induction portion, I set my mind loose to follow whatever thoughts and imagery it found interesting, rather than try to follow and visualize the things the voice requested. I was taking a chance, that as long as I remained aware of the voice (like a radio in the background), it didn't matter that my conscious mind was elsewhere. My subconsious still would follow, and hopefully respond to the suggestions.

Well, I am happily drifting along, letting thoughts come and go, when all I heard next was "If it's your bedtime ... 1 ... 2 ..."

My eyes suddenly focused onto my eyelids, the mental fog of sleep closed in around me, I felt myself rapidly sinking. I was extatic! My mind had responded to the suggestion without having to consciously think it, and I was aware that it had happened!

I was happlily let myself sink, fully prepared for a good night's sleep and dreams, but my mind had other ideas. After a few seconds, the fog and my thoughts cleared, and the sinking sensation was replaced by a half-in/half-out awareness of my body. It was similiar to what I had experienced before for a few seconds when on the edge of falling asleep, but this time, I stayed in that state.

It took me a few seconds for the realization to sink in, but when it did, I must have had the biggest silly grin on my face. My limbs felt light (but not floating), and I could move them seemingly effortlessly, though they moved slow and lethergic.

First thing I did, I remembered to pinch my fingers together, and attempt to set my anchor before I lost the state.

It then suddenly occured to me to try the Balloon-Arm test. I'd never gotten a convincer to work before, so this was my chance to get some verification of where I was. I formed a vague image of a balloon tied to my wrist, and (imagining someone else's voice) repeated "floating up" silently to myself. I almost immediately felt a tugging around my wrist, and sure enough, my arm started to slowly rise, starting with the forearm and working its way past the elbow and upper arm. The sensation was as if there really was a balloon pulling it up.

I was so giddy, I forgot to maintain the image and the chant. My arm started coming back down, as if the balloon was deflating (I half expected it be more like the string getting cut).

I have no idea how long I remained there before drifting off. During that time, I just kept thinking abotu whatever came to mind. My thoughts felt slow, but clear and coherent.

I tested the trigger this morning after I awoke (I awoke a full 30 minutes ahead of my alarm clock). It works, but weak. I feel myself start going down the instant I use the trigger, but it takes several seconds before I feel any depth. It also doesn't feel quite as deep; it feels deeper/stronger than what I normally reach, but not quite where I was last night. I am hoping it gets stronger/faster as I use it (other triggers I've used for anchoring previous states lost stength after a day or two).

Here's crossing my fingers that I've managed to bridge the gap. I also plan to contact my hypnotherapist, and see if I can convince him to do a session with the goal of just trying to achieve and test for trance depth.

hypknomark

USA
79 Posts

Posted - 08/20/2009 :  2:29:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit hypknomark's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sounds like you are making a lot of progress, the more your do this, the better you will get. Like playing the piano, practice makes excellence! No need to seek prefection, go for excellence!

Mark V Johnson
Clinical Hypnotherapist
Past Life Regression
Life Between Lives
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 08/21/2009 :  10:37:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I made a second attempt last night, using the same audio, but went back to my normal time and chair for doing the sessions. I also planned to remain focused on following the voice's instructions (imagine you are sitting on the shore of a mountain lake, etc). I figured I would let the audio take me part way down, then use my trigger in sync with the countdown portion of the audio to reinforce it. It worked like a charm!

At first, it started to sound like the voice was getting farther away, and harder to hear. At first, I was concerned it was a sign I was falling unconscious, but just before it faded out completely, the voice came back. This time it felt like it was coming from inside my head instead of from the headphones.

Next came the suggestion to let my body become heavy, and my mind light and floating. When the voice repeated, my body went deadweight limp. Even the muscles in the back that help hold you somewhat upright when resting in a chair, went limp. Meanwhile, my mind started feeling intensly lightheaded and euphoric.

I have only a vague recollection of things that happened after that, until the countup at the end. I remember at one point feeling some strong negative emotions, followed by the words "now, release them and let them float away...". I remember feeling them suddenly fade away, replaced by that euphoric feeling again. I also remember at some point feeling a surge of energy go through my whole body; at another, images of people smiling floating past my eyelids.

My only regret at this point is not remembering more of it. That had to be the single most profound thing I've ever experienced.

It feels like the last piece of a puzzle finally fell into place after all these weeks of trying. My mind knew where it wanted to go, it just couldn't figure out the correct path to get there. I could be wrong, but I wonder if all the tightess and excessive wobbling of my eye in past sessions was more about confusion than resistance.

On a lighter note, I wonder if I should have been blogging this...
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hypknomark

USA
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Posted - 08/21/2009 :  6:54:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit hypknomark's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wobbling of the eyes, are you sure it was not fluttering of the eyes. Fluttering eyelids is a good thing, AKA REM, Rapid Eye Movement... it happens when you are dreaming, clients who I see whose eyes flutter are always wonderful subjects, I had one last weekend in fact.

Next time, as you begin to relax, focus on the FACT that you will remember everything. Intent is a lot of it, go into it with the intent to recall everything and have a wonderful experience.

The last thing to go is the neck muscles, people who do instant inductions (Gil Boyne is the KING of instant inductions) sometimes hold a hand behind the neck so they can be sure the subject has dropped into a deep trance.

Mark V Johnson
Clinical Hypnotherapist
Past Life Regression
Life Between Lives
Certified Master Trainer

www.hypnomark.com
www.pastliferegressiondallas.com
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 08/23/2009 :  10:50:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Before my little breakthrough, my eyes were wildly all over the place, to the point of being very distracting, uncomfortable, and during that time, I could not maintain any sort of focus.

I say it was the eyes wobbling, because I could feel my eyes moving separate from the fluttering of the eyelids.

Now, my eyes remain comfortable the entire time, with little or no sensation of movement. My eyelids start to flutter the moment I close my eyes and start thinking about going down. It starts off rapid, then goes into a rhythmic pattern that slows down over time.

At some point, the lids will lightly tense (barely noticeable) and the rhythmic flutter stops. At this point, my eyes feel like they are lightly focusing on something, though I don't see any images projected on my eyelids or out in front. I also get an unusual sense of expectation, like my mind is waiting for something. It lasts for a few seconds before returning to a slow, rhythmic flutter.

I was wondering if that feeling of expectation might be related to "the sweet spot" where the critical factor is suspended, or is it something else?

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hypknomark

USA
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Posted - 08/24/2009 :  6:38:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit hypknomark's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not sure about that expectation, I doubt you;d be aware of the instant that the critical factor is suspended, but nothing would surprise me! One thing you might want to do to gain control of your eyes, as well as deepen is called EMDR or Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing. I use this in my stop smoking sessions, but it is very good for deepening and even induction.

What you do is close your eyes and begin moving the eye balls side to side, left, right, left, right, do that 40 times (left then right is 1 count) and feel yourself dropping deeper and deeper...

The fluttering is a good thing, the wobbling, not sure, but I bet the EMDR would help with that...

Mark V Johnson
Clinical Hypnotherapist
Past Life Regression
Life Between Lives
Certified Master Trainer

www.hypnomark.com
www.pastliferegressiondallas.com
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 08/24/2009 :  11:59:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On the feeling of expectation, I really have no idea. All I know is that at that moment, my mind was silent. I was still aware, and thoughts still drifted in and out, but there is no "sound" to the thoughts, if that makes any sense. It was actually quite peaceful and surreal.

My eyes no longer wobble, or at least it is no longer noticeable. There are a few brief seconds where they start to wobble (usually accompanied by a disorienting feeling), but it goes away quickly without any conscious effort.

As for depth, I seem to be going down much quicker, and more consistent. I have even managed to experience a brief moment where I was able to not only picture a suggested scene in front of my (closed) eyes, I briefly found myself absorbed into the scene just like entering a dream. I am unsure if it was deep trance or whether I drifted off into sleep for a few minutes, because (by my recollection) I was completely unaware of any external sounds (not even the voice) during that brief moment.

Still, I feel like I am making progress.

Edited by - nispelsm on 08/25/2009 12:01:57 AM
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 08/26/2009 :  12:51:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just curious, is there a trick to maintaining trance depth while your eyes are open?

It doesn't seem to matter whether my eyes open fast, slow, voluntarily, or reactionary (automatically). Once my eyes are open, I start to naturally wake or drift up to a light state of trance.

Is this another thing I need practice on, or is it only possible to maintain eyes-open depth once you've reached Somnambulism?
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patrickg

USA
724 Posts

Posted - 08/26/2009 :  2:35:32 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The trick is practice. I teach people eyes open hypno for sports and pain management. Just finished a very productive session with someone who has hearing trouble. Half of the session was eyes open.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 08/31/2009 :  3:31:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just wanted to give you all an update!

I went to a new hypnotherapist this past Saturday. The one I had gone to before just didn't "click". This new one was a lot more interactive, taking the time to demonstrate to her clients that they were, in fact, experiencing hypnosis.

The session started off with the standard pre-talk and discussion of goals. She then did the hand-stuck-to-the-table demonstration. With my hand and arm flat on the table, I was to concentrate on my hand and imagine my palm and fingers where coated with glue. As she lightly tapped on the back of my hand, she was saying how the more she tapped, the stronger the glue became. I actually felt like the bottom of my hand was coated with rubber cement, and when she told me to try to pull my hand up, I found it remained stuck to the table!

My reaction was, "Wow, now THAT is cool!"

From there, we went on to an eyelid-to-full-body relaxtion induction, followed by a fractioning deepener. She then followed that up with a number of convincers/deepeners.

She did a limp arm shake-n-drop, then followed by a stiff-arm convincer. When she pressed down on my raised and stiffend arm, it gave way about 2 inches before springing back into position. While I felt her push down on the arm, I felt no tension in the muscles.

Next, she had me "disconnect" from my arm with my eyes still closed, to where I could no longer feel her tapping my arm. She tapped it about 6 or 7 times, watching for eye-twitch to tell when I was/wasn't feeling the tap. I remember only feeling the first 3 or 4 taps (confirmed by her afterwards).

Then, she had me "count from 1 to 10, just like this: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10". Then she had me do it backwards. I hadn't forgotten the existence of the number 6, my mind simply followed the idea to "skip 6 when counting". I didn't hesitate or pause, I simply counted 7 after 5, then 5 following 7 when counting backwards. The funny part of it was, it didn't feel like I had missed any numbers while counting. I wondered if it would have been better if my mind hadn't consciously realized she skipped 6 when counting, but she said that fact I followed it without hesitating meant my mind readily accepted the suggestion to count that way.

Finally, she had me open my eyes (without waking), imagine a clock on the far wall, and describe it to her. I was able to easily project an image of a clock on the wall, but when I went to describe it, I found myself unable to put it into words. I knew what I wanted to say, but the words escaped my mind's grasp. She then woke me, and had me describe it. I described it perfectly. She said that happens sometimes when the conscious mind is out of the way, which is why we usually can't read in dreams.

After that, she put me back under (the trigger word worked!), and we got to work on the theraputic portion of the session.

Personally, I loved the whole experience. I finally got to satisfy a lot of my curiosity, and even got objective confirmation that I was achieving a deeper level of trance. I will definately be going back, for the chance to experience more, and of course, do a little more self-improvement work.

My trances since then have gone a lot smoother and feel deeper. Somehow, just having that outside verification has helped tremendously in getting me past those lingering doubts.
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patrickg

USA
724 Posts

Posted - 08/31/2009 :  4:22:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nice work!

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/01/2009 :  10:17:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here I go with another question, but it's curiosity, not frustration!

During my trances of late, an image or scene will fade into view in front of me (usually unrelated to what I am supposed to be visualizing). I will find myself getting absorbed into the scene, just like when entering a dream. It lasts anywhere from a few seconds to a few minutes, before the voice on the audio intrudes and pulls me back.

My awareness of the outside world disappears during that time, and only the voice on the audio is noticable in the background during that time. At some point, the voice will suddenly become incredibly loud and startle me out of the scene and back to the empty space of trance.

Did I fall asleep, or was this something else?
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patrickg

USA
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Posted - 09/01/2009 :  3:37:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
My opinion: Yes, going to sleep.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/01/2009 :  6:25:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hmm, drat. I was hoping it wasn't a sign I was falling asleep. I am still hoping to hit that sweet spot where I can go "in the moment" of a memory or visualized scenario, instead of just seeing a dim, shifting scene floating in the space in front of my eyes.

I will say this though: 3 weeks ago, I couldn't do more than imagine a scene in the back of my mind while in trance. Now, I can at least bring the scene to the front where I can "see" it, however dim and shifting the images may be.
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patrickg

USA
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Posted - 09/01/2009 :  6:56:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Surely it's progress. And, it is ONLY my opinion that you are drifting close to sleep.. and that is CLOSE to sleep. Not ASLEEP. Not a bad place to be if you're able to control it to a certain extent.. like lucid dreaming.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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nispelsm

USA
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Posted - 09/01/2009 :  7:31:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I see what you mean. I will admit, despite all other outside awareness seeming to disappear, the voice was always present, like the canned music at the mall and retail stores.

I will keep at it, and see where it goes.
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