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Garland

Portugal
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Posted - 11/24/2010 :  7:00:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi to all, i am new here i hope this is the correct section

It's been several weeks that i have been going to a hypnopsycoteraphist, he uses hypnotic/sedative pills like dormicum/kainever to get the person to reach the delta state/sonambolic state after the person "falls asleep" (he says this is not sleeping, and in fact the few times he was sucessfull i had never any dream recall, but the procedure is the same), and also he talks a lot about using catharsis even tough i am not much familiar in how that works exactly.

Also, at the end of each session he always does a suggestion to the person forget everything during that session, and at least that i noticed it did worked for me. So far he was sucessfull with many of his patients, incluing a member of my family (but he has to use the pills with everyone), so there is no doubt that it's not a problem of him being a legit hypnoteraphist or not since i have seen what he has done with my step mother, he has now full control of her and is able to put her into a hypnotic trance with just a gesture even from a full waking state in the person. He usually needs 4-5 sessions (sucessfull ones of course) to "train"/program the subconcious but in my case it's been over 40 session and there's always he same problem...

It's the first time he is having so much trouble getting me to stay on the hypnotic trance long enought for a sucessfull session, it seems i keep "awaking" form the trance about 5 minutes later without absolutly no reason, sometimes it's a physical noise around me that awakes me from the trance, other times it's just completly unexplainable. Sometimes i am able to not "awake" for 20-30 minutes even tough he says in those times that i wasn't "deep" enought. Altough VERY rarely, still without any explanation it all went well during the full session (every session is always one hour and half), and he told me sometimes i was able to enter a very deep hypnosis state and he was able to start "working" and preparing me, but amazingly, the next week the same pattern recurred again! (about awaking 5 minutes later). What the heck is wrong with me ?? He says it's the first time ever he has so much trouble with a patient...

Sometimes i suspect that it's the pills that take a longer time to do it's effect on me, because some time after i get out of the session i fall asleep at home very very easely and fast, even tough, not in a hypnotic trance of course. (still don't know how he does to get the person from a sleeping state to a deep delta sonambolic state but i have seen him making my step mother get up of the bed in the sonambolic/hypnosis state).

Maybe i haven't explained myself correctly (english isn't my native language by the way) so if you have any doubts just ask. Also forgive me if it's too much talk :)

patrickg

USA
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Posted - 11/24/2010 :  8:22:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've got a few questions and comments....

What is he using to judge your depth?
What is the issue you're working on?
What is his "working"? A recording to listen to? Something he's saying to you?
Do you know other patients of his that have achieved the results they went to him for? (did your step-mother achieve the desired results, or have you just seen signs of being hypnotized?)

He may be a good hypnotist, Practically anyone can learn to do decent hypnosis. Getting consistent, reliable results with hypnosis is a different thing.

Suggested amnesia (getting you to forget the session) is not reliable from person to person or session to session. Don't worry about it.

If he relies on medication to get his clients into hypnosis, he's going to be limited in his hypnosis skills.. If a hypnotist EVER has trouble achieving depth with a client, it is NEVER the client/patients fault. It's the hypnotist's. (I judge myself with this same belief).

If you are not achieving results after 4 sessions, let alone 40, you might want to look elsewhere for help.... even a standard talk therapist would expect some sort of improvement after 40 sessions.... and.. .in my candid opinion, any responsible, professional, hypnotist would refer their client elsewhere if they are not getting the job done for their client/patient.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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Garland

Portugal
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Posted - 11/24/2010 :  9:05:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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What is he using to judge your depth?

Unfortunately i don't know exactly, the only thing he says is that in those times the session was sucessfull was when i started snoring (even tough he says his work is not done while i am asleep, but somehow he needs me to fall asleep first), and then somehow he uses suggestions to get to the delta state. That's all i know.

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What is the issue you're working on?

For now the primary objective is to him get full control over me, kinda like a preparation of the mind, all this done in the delta state/sonambolic state, he says if i don't get "deep" enought (to the delta state/sonambolic) his work (verbal suggestions) won't be most effective. His "specialty" seems to be curing/removing traumas in the sonambolic/delta state with positive suggestions (by the way every sugestion he does includes a loud snapping of fingers and a 3 count), and in fact the main reason i went to him is because i am FULL (i am literaly flooded) of traumas and phobias (one of the main ones is about people getting angry with me, and getting yelled/scolded at) and unfortunately there isn't any alternative to this doctor in the place i live...

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What is his "working"? A recording to listen to? Something he's saying to you?

He does verbal suggestions, concluding some of them with a loud snapping of fingers in front of the face of the patient. He also does this at the end of the session (after counting backwards to ten and suggesting i fell very well) to fully get the person out of the trance.

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Do you know other patients of his that have achieved the results they went to him for? (did your step-mother achieve the desired results, or have you just seen signs of being hypnotized?)

So far my step-mother and my brother were the only ones of my family i have seen, in the case of my step mother, i know her very well, she is too much serious about this stuff to be "faking" it (in fact she didn't even belived much on hypnosis before), so far she has travelled to another country because of family issues and she isn't going to the doctor at the moment (she will resume the sessions later when she comes back), but so far the only result was that he was able to "remove" a physical unexplained pain she had in her leg (she did all type of medical exams and nothing could explain it), it seems it was a psicossomatic pain caused by a trauma she had about a car accident. She never had the pain again. Besides that, the doctor says it's needed more sessions to see more results, it's still too soon. By the way before she had travelled she was even doing past-life regressions as well, even tough this doctor clearly stated at the beginning he didn't believed in such things, altough he DOES use this to remove traumas as well.

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Suggested amnesia (getting you to forget the session) is not reliable from person to person or session to session. Don't worry about it.


What you mean not reliable? That i might remember some of the sessions ? Well there was some unusual things in those sessions :

- well, in the times i am unable to "sleep" and then entering trance, it seems like a VERY long session, in which it almost seems i am in there a eternety. But in the times he says it was sucessfull, to my big surprise time seemed to have gone faster than normal, for example it seems to me that only 10-15 minutes have passed but in fact it was a whole hour or one hour and half sometimes! And he is not lying about this, i definetly notice a considerable difference in the time span of the session and the most strange thing : i didn't had any gap in my consciousness and i never ever remember any dreams at the times i was asleep (by the way my father was present in some of these few sucessfull sessions), but at home everytime i fall sleep i remember my dreams every single day. It's just like nothing happened at all, but when i look at the clock and see how much time has passed, definetly he had to have done something to made me forget.

- usually he leaves the room after a few minutes and comes back later, since he waits for the person to fall asleep and then he comes back to do suggestions to make the person reach the hypnotic trance (at least i presume this is how he does it since i never understood well that part), but in those few sucessfull sessions, i haven't again noticed any gap of conciousness and i could swear he has left the room (it's always very easy to hear the sounds of him opening and closing the door it's not possible to get out or in without me noticing) and then at the end of the session when he "awake" me to my big surprise i see the door open and both my father and the doctor standing there! Definetly this would be impossible to happen if i would be conscious all the time since even if i don't want i am very alert to all the sounds around me instinctively.

- even in the background music he puts during every session, i already memorized the cicling pattern of the music, during the days i noticed it wasn't a sucessfull session (because it was a LOT longer than usual) i remember the music cicling normally, but in those times he says the session was sucessfull and i noticed that time passed a lot quicker than usual, in my memory there was a gap in there somehow it seems that some part of the music, it seems it didn't cycle anymore, jeez this is hard to explain sorry i am not being clear, it's just that if he really is able to make me forget all the session after i got asleep and in trance, then this DOES make sense at all...

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If he relies on medication to get his clients into hypnosis, he's going to be limited in his hypnosis skills.. If a hypnotist EVER has trouble achieving depth with a client, it is NEVER the client/patients fault. It's the hypnotist's. (I judge myself with this same belief).


This is very strange indeed, because the place he works (it's in a private clinic with considerable reputation) in all these years of work i never found any complaint about him, also it would be quite hard to him continue working there so long if he was a fake, and there is douzens of positive testemonials about him, and indeed with my step mother his method is working, it's just with me that he is having all this trouble. But that's true, indeed he seems dependant of the pills to make me go deep.

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If you are not achieving results after 4 sessions, let alone 40, you might want to look elsewhere for help...


Jeez i have no other alternative unfortunately, and the type of problem is very serious, i have gone to several psyquiatrists and shrinks in the past (even a sexologist) and of course, without any results (even worse some of the prescived medication with nasty side effects, i even had a epileptic attack once because of that, but that was several years ago).

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even a standard talk therapist would expect some sort of improvement after 40 sessions.... and.. .in my candid opinion, any responsible, professional, hypnotist would refer their client elsewhere if they are not getting the job done for their client/patient.


Just tell me this, the fact that a person has a very light sleep and constantly awakes during the night most of the nights every week (for example i usually awake each 2 hours during the night...), poses any hindrance at all for those hypnoteraphists which do NOT use any medication to help to get to the delta/sonambolic state?? Is this possible?
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patrickg

USA
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Posted - 11/24/2010 :  9:36:20 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Might want to ask him how he is judging depth. Sounds like he's drugging you to sleep then trying to bring you back up a bit to do the work.... so if you are not falling asleep with the drugs, that's his problem.

I specialize in trauma. I would never address in the way he is attempting. If the emotions around the trauma are strong enough, they will reject any incoming suggestions. No matter what depth of hypnosis the person is at. After all.. strong emotional reactions are already occurring in a deep state. Achieving depth intentionally does not get 'around' the emotional trauma. Achieving depth is about getting around the "conscious mind". the snap would probably just be an attempt at an additional conscious mind bypass.

So, your step-mother has had a side, or branch-issue resolved, but not the main issue? Other than that, she achieves deep levels of hypnosis... which.. although I've never had the opportunity to test this... I believe I could train a monkey to get great depth in a percentage of people.

Not a reliable 'test' as to the depth, or value of the hypnosis/session. The quicker feeling sessions tend to have the better depth of hypnosis. It's often referred to as "time distortion". That occurs even when a person remembers the whole session. As far as being alert... it sounds like he's trying to keep you very close to sleep. A level of depth is not constant during a session. There will be fluctuations. So you may actually be drifting in and out of sleep... afterall, you're drugged.

I don't mean to infer he is a fake... even a crappy hypnotist will get maybe 20% success rate.. which is better than what psychologists expect to get with their patients. What I mean is, if his skills are limited, he may not be able to adapt to the variation of issues a patient may come into his office with. That means, if an individual comes in with something he is unequipped to deal with, he may not even know it.. and the patient would come away feeling they are "difficult". Also... testimonials are a great marketing tool for the person selling stuff... but not a good way to assess the value of a service. I don't use testimonials because I feel it's unethical. A person promoting their business will only use the testimonials that make them look good, not the bad ones. And even a basic placebo effect will give him 10% success rate. :)

Yes it's quite possible... I work with that often... the light sleeping, and other things you mentioned, point toward a pretty high emotional stress level.. like you're "on alert" 24/7. So that would be the first behavior to target.

Just this past Monday I hypnotized a person that was in the middle of a full blown panic attack, stopping it and calming her in about 5 minutes. Drugs can't do that.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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Garland

Portugal
5 Posts

Posted - 11/25/2010 :  7:18:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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I specialize in trauma. I would never address in the way he is attempting... ... at an additional conscious mind bypass.


I see... Ok even tough if his method isn't the one you reccomend, and considering that in case i am finally able to keep in hypnotic trance all the required time to him do "his work", don't tell me then that there is no hope in solving this problem of me waking up from that state with this hypnoteraphist? I will have to try at least some more sessions because you know there isn't much alternative here regarding hypnoteraphists he is the only one in the zone i live and we already spent a lot of money in this so we (me and my father) are getting desperate in this as you can imagine because of the lack of alternatives. Isn't there anything that me or something i can suggest my hypnoteraphist to do to help me not keep awaking from the hypnotic trance?

Because remember he said that in so many people he was surprised with the resistance of my subconcious he never had such a difficult case before, and there's another thing... remember he WAS already sucessfull with me a few times, i just can't understand how come i was there during about 90 minutes under very deep hypnotic trance and he told me i was deep all the time, but i just can't find any explanation about this, for what you know about this, is there any daily routines that could have a effect on this ? For example, the amount of sleep in previous days, the stuff i ate in that day, the emotions i felt during the day, etc

What is amazing, is that in that monday i was able to have a completly sucessfull session, and the next wednesday another sucessfull one, and then in the next week all come to the same again... Several weeks before the first time this happened was in a wednesday, also without any explanation, oh and by the way this was always when lying on my back, he told me that he is able to put me a lot more deeper if i lye on my back (and snore) rather than on my side in which he says he doesn't get me as deep as while lying on my back. Is this normal?

Anyway lately it always keeps happening the same problem, constantly awaking 5-10 minutes after falling asleep and then in trance and he told me in all the patients he had nothing like this ever happened, because he usually takes a few sessions with most of his patients, just like he did with my step mother...

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So, your step-mother has had a side, or branch-issue resolved, but not the main issue?


Yes he said he can't fix everything in a single sessions, he says it depends on the amount of traumas or issues he has to fix, it's different for everyone. Even tough she is out in another country, she will continue the sessions when she comes back to continue the treatment. But at least she already got the "necessary session" to be under complete control by him, this is what i need him to be able to do, if i wouldn't keep awaking for absolutly no reason.

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Yes it's quite possible... I work with that often... the light sleeping, and other things you mentioned, point toward a pretty high emotional stress level..

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Just this past Monday I hypnotized a person that was in the middle of a full blown panic attack, stopping it and calming her in about 5 minutes. Drugs can't do that.



Please tell me a bit of what you do exactly, i am not asking for the complete technique, but just a general description, such as, eye gazing, using pendulum to "tire the eyes" (sorry my english don't know how to say this exactly), or just plain words. I would like to know this so that i can suggest to my hypnoteraphist (if he agrees on this, of course) to what can be done to help keeping me in the trance state without awaking suddently, specially in cases like mine.

Unless... the problem is REALLY enterily because of the pills themselves... could the pills cause this alerteness, considering what you know about people with my type of problems ?

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like you're "on alert" 24/7. So that would be the first behavior to target.

So if you were my hypnoteraphist, what you would suggest him to do to fix that?

Also you mean then that the reason i awake during this "trance" is because of the high emotional stress level, even if i am perfectly calm at the time and day i am having the session ? If you know more exactly the exact cause of this constant awaking tell me and if you had more cases like this, maybe like this my hypnoteraphist would know better what to do.

Also these pills he uses... is there any negative side effects about them ? (incluing insomnia) I mean more exactly Dormicum and Kainever (and some weeks ago he told me to take alprozolam during the day once but that was rare), since he insists in saying there is nothing wrong with them, that in just a night they "get out" of the organism.

Oh by the way, hearing brainwave entreinment could possibly help on this of awaking of hypnotic trance state? Or even taking camomile tea...

Edited by - Garland on 11/25/2010 7:53:53 PM
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patrickg

USA
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Posted - 11/25/2010 :  9:59:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
My opinion is only based upon my training, my experience, and your descriptions.

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don't tell me then that there is no hope in solving this problem of me waking up from that state with this hypnoteraphist?


There is a chance he can help you. But, because he has already spent 40 sessions (around 60 hours?) with you and not been able to reliably get you into hypnosis, I am not optimistic in regards to his probability of success with you.

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we (me and my father) are getting desperate in this as you can imagine

I can very much imagine and understand your situation!

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he WAS already sucessfull with me a few times

Being successful in achieving a depth of hypnosis is separate from, and not necessarily a part of, success with the issue you are working to 'fix'. Two different things. Achieving hypnosis is much easier than 'fixing' the problem.

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is there any daily routines that could have a effect on this?

Yes. Your current emotional state, sleep, foods, recent triggers, expectations, any medications, and even your mind filled with worry/concern about achieving hypnosis can make it more difficult to achieve it.

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rather than on my side in which he says he doesn't get me as deep as while lying on my back. Is this normal?

I would not consider his statement/belief normal. My clients typically sit in a reclining chair. But some will sit/lay on their side in the chair, and some even lie on the ground. It is the client's preference and I have never seen a reason to believe it affects the session in any way.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com

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patrickg

USA
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Posted - 11/25/2010 :  10:03:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage  Reply with Quote
***continued

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constantly awaking 5-10 minutes after falling asleep

Have you had a sleep study done? Possibly a physiological reason for the awakening? Like sleep apnea or something? You mentioned you wake often while sleeping at home and now mention you snore while on your back.

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he told me in all the patients he had nothing like this ever happened

This brings me back to thinking he is in over his head... he's not sure what to do with your situation so he's just trying/testing/hoping the same thing over and over again to see if it will work. And you're paying for him to do this. That bothers me.

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to be under complete control by him

This statement also bothers me. Being under ANYONE's control is NOT required in order to experience results and improvement with hypnosis. I have never used drugs to induce hypnosis and never plan to do so. I have talked with some people that have had this done. Typically for methamphetamine addiction - though it is not practiced any longer in this area as far as I am aware. I believe insurance no longer covers the costs. The people that have had drug induced hypnosis did not tend to remember the sessions they had and tended to experience short term, or, superficial improvements. That found "organic" hypnosis inductions more comfortable and more productive.

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Please tell me a bit of what you do exactly

I'm happy to share what I do.
I use a customized hybrid Elman rapid induction. I use a bit of eye fixation, language, confusion, and visualization. The induction includes some basic depth testing. Then a few minutes of deepening suggestions. The whole induction and deepening is a bit under 5 minutes with most people. The induction would need to be delivered very quickly for people that have the anxiousness you describe. This acts as additional distraction and helps achieve hypnosis.

After the induction, the hypnotist needs to begin work immediately to keep your mind/thinking occupied.This type of induction takes some practice on the hypnotists part. After the induction, the hypnotist needs to begin work immediately to keep your mind/thinking occupied.

I practice analytical hypnosis and use suggestions as support the analytical work.

By the way, that lady I mentioned with the panic attack. I had never met her before and hypnotized her in a busy and noisy room. I credit the results to the techniques, practice, and her understanding of what we were doing. We only used some basic suggestions which will probably only give her short term results.. which took care of that situation for her.

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sorry my english don't know how to say this exactly

Don't worry about it. I am absolutely positive that your English is way better than my Portuguese. So, kudos to you :)


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could the pills cause this alerteness, considering what you know about people with my type of problems ?

YES!!! These medications can cause a reaction that is opposite of 'typical'. And, to be clear, I'm NOT saying that is the case. Just that it is a possibility that should be explored. Along with sleep apnea, food allergy reactions, etc..

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Also these pills he uses... is there any negative side effects about them ?

Yes. You can Google to search for the side effects. I believe the medications you list are commonly called estazolam and midazolam.

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Oh by the way, hearing brainwave entreinment could possibly help on this of awaking of hypnotic trance state? Or even taking camomile tea...

Yes, the may help.. but, it depends on what the reason is for the waking.


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So if you were my hypnoteraphist, what you would suggest him to do to fix that?

If you were in my office..... I'd do some hypnosis with you. IF there were trouble achieving and keeping depth, we'd troubleshoot it. We'd want to rule out any physiological reasons like health, foods, etc.. I've done a bit over 5,000 one-on-one hypnosis sessions. I number of people that I was not able to hypnotize is very, very small. And, in each case I believe I know the reason there was trouble (and that was assessed and addressed in the first few sessions).

I can't say what the issue might be for. There are too many variables. I can give you real life examples from my clients.
One client was on a medication for insomnia (to keep him from falling asleep during the day) that made it difficult for him to be hypnotized.

One client was using large doses of morphine for pain management. She hypnotized easily but it is extremely difficult to do much work once she was hypnotized.

Once client had been molested by a bald man when she was very young. I shave my head. This association made it difficult for her to relax. I referred her to a female hypnotist.

One client has NEVER felt safe in a room alone with a man since she was very young. She was aware of this, motivated to work on her issue and wanted to work with me regardless. She could not relax. So, I had her close her eyes. That was it. Any strong emotion (fear) creates enough of a state of hypnosis to work with. Had her calm and fixed this fear of men in the first 15 minutes of the session. We were then able to get onto her main goals.

Once client was going through heroin withdrawals. Difficulty relaxing, but, relaxation is NOT required in order to achieve hypnosis. We were able to reduce the effects for the withdrawals. Also done this with meth, alcohol and pot withdrawals.

In general, if someone has the 24/7 anxiousness you describe, it is often a fear type of behavior.

For techniques, I would use affect bridge age regression, parts, gestalt, dissociated dialogue followed up with suggestions.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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Garland

Portugal
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Posted - 11/26/2010 :  6:54:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
By the way i almost forgot to say, i am a 30 year old male, dont' know if this helps anything regarding the advices, also i usually have a sedentary life and i hate sports, but i do walk at least, almost everyday.

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Yes. Your current emotional state, sleep, foods, recent triggers, expectations, any medications, and even your mind filled with worry/concern about achieving hypnosis can make it more difficult to achieve it.


Well... if this would be the problem it will be near to impossible to recreate the same conditions i had in those days i kept in the hypnosis trance the whole session without awaking, as you can imagine if this is the real problem it's impossible to fix it then, unless, of course, using your technique.

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I would not consider his statement/belief normal. My clients typically sit in a reclining chair. But some will sit/lay on their side in the chair, and some even lie on the ground. It is the client's preference and I have never seen a reason to believe it affects the session in any way.


Well, in all his sessions he uses a kind of very simple and basic "hospital stretcher/bed" which is pretty narrow, and it's not reclinable (well, it is possible to recline the upper part but we have to put something below to elevate it). The big problem is that i have pain in every position i am for too long without moving, in the parts my body is making contact with (my weight is 95 kilograms and i am 1,80 meters tall), for example, if i lye on my side too long, my body aches at the side and hip joint (contact point only), altough it's when i lye on my back that things are very different : if i am completly horizontal with only a standard orthopedic pillow (that's what he have there) i feel my throat and stomach area "squashed" the longer i remain in that position, i had a lot of trouble in many sessions because of this... One way to fix this was to put some more pillows below my head so that i would be reclined, and the throat and stomach pressure almost dissapear completly BUT it has to be after a very specific angle of inclination. The big problem, is that as the angle of inclination is higher, my body weight start to switches to my coccyx and it starts to ache a lot after 15-30 minutes being in that position, so in the sucessfull sessions i was on my back in this position BUT i had to fall sleep in about 15 minutes, because when the coccyx pain would become too intense obviously i would unable to relax and there was many wasted sessions because of this too. By the way he says ALL of these pains and those pressures in stomach and throat is ALL psicossomatic pain caused by traumas, this does make sense right? By the way this also happens in any place, it's not just when i am having sessions with him.

Another very strange thing, sometimes when i used to lye on my side, another strange thing would happen too, i think i have a minor restless limb syndrome, since sometimes when i am trying to sleep and i can't, i feel an uncontrollable urge in shaking/moving my legs or arms, but this happens rarely when trying to sleep on the same position for too long and it's not everytime. I haven't noticed this before because at home because at home in my bed i do turn on my side every 5 minutes (usually it takes 1-2 turns on my side to fall asleep).

But one thing is sure, he said my breathing while sleeping on my back is snoring, and lying on my side, my breathing is clearly different, don't know how to explain in english, but it's definetly not snoring.

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Have you had a sleep study done? Possibly a physiological reason for the awakening? Like sleep apnea or something? You mentioned you wake often while sleeping at home and now mention you snore while on your back.


No unfortunately no... by the way i did a C.A.T. (TAC in portuguese) on my head a few years ago and at a physical level everything is perfectly normal in my brain. Anyway regarding that thing of my sleep, it is very variable, i forgot to tell you : if i go to sleep after 01:00 am (which is the usual routine time to go to sleep for many months before going to the hypnopsicoteraphist) i do have a perfectly normal sleep, but i have to awake every morning at 07:30am using a timer because the schedule of my job. I forgot to tell that it's ONLY when i try to sleep earlier than normal that strange thing of awaking every two hours happens, even if i try to go to sleep just 5-10 minutes before usual sleep time. Oh and by the way i always have headaches in the next day (at eyeball leve) when trying to sleep earlier than normal or awaking sooner or later than usual.

But i am not sure this would be the cause of the awaking in the sessions, since in many weeks this kept happening even by going at 08:30pm to the session, then a certain week completely unexpected, in a very rare case of two sucessfull sessions (in which i was under trance the entire session and my doctor had to get me out of trance as he says it's supposed too) was at the same hour of all the other times i awake 5 minutes later so this too isn't the cause, this is really strange, also i remember i already had sucessfull sessions too even when i was indeed worried i wouldn't be able to sleep or have a good session, so even this doesn't seem to be the cause.

Oh another important thing, when i "awake" in the middle of the hypnotic trance i am not scared of anything, everything just seems normal, it seems exactly like i awaked of natural causes and not by being scared of anything. Also i don't know what the heck happens, but everytime i awake in there, if i try to go to sleep again, i start having the same symptons of having insomnia (but the amazing thing is that in most sessions i always fall asleep in the first 5-10 minutes and i use to even have hypnagogic imagery, which is normal even before i started going to the doctor)it's just like having insomnia all of a sudden, like my mind kinda becomes a "knot" and i am even unable to picture things in my mind or visualize anything or even verbal toughts, this is really strange... Also some time later when the pill finally starts doing effect i sleep very well, that's the curious thing, usually the pills only seem to work better after the session is done, for example a feeling of my body being heavy, slight loss of equilibrium and with a heavy need to sleep, which is in fact what my doctor needs to happen during the session.

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This brings me back to thinking he is in over his head... he's not sure what to do with your situation so he's just trying/testing/hoping the same thing over and over again to see if it will work. And you're paying for him to do this. That bothers me.


Yes i know but unfortunately i don't have much choice, so he had the idea to tell me to ask for help on foruns like this, to see if there is still a way to fix this problem using the same hypnopsicoteraphist, because there ISN'T any other living near here, we have to use what we got, even if this isn't the best way for hypnosis according to you and the other people in these foruns, it's what i got has a hypnopsicoteraphist. So i HAVE to continue trying.

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I'm happy to share what I do.
I use a customized hybrid Elman rapid induction. I use a bit of eye fixation, language, confusion, and visualization. The induction includes some basic depth testing. Then a few minutes of deepening suggestions. The whole induction and deepening is a bit under 5...


Very interesting indeed, thanks for this. By the way, is this you're talking about ? http://www.hypnosis101.com/dave-elman-induction.htm
Probably yours is different since you say it's costumized, but tell me for a person with this specific kind of problem about awaking from trance, this specific method in that website you think would help a lot on this problem? Even if it's just to "fix" this problem of awakening during trance so that my doctor is able to work afterwards using his own methods.

In case my father finally gives up on this hypnopsicoteraphist, i am rather worried about what to do next, some of my phobias (specially that one of being scolded or yelled at) seem to be slowly increasing on a weekly basis and of course shrinks and psyquiatrists are out of question, what else is left there without being hypnopsicoteraphits for a case like this ? For example for a effective way of curing traumas like this, hypnosis is the ONLY possible way ?

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In general, if someone has the 24/7 anxiousness you describe, it is often a fear type of behavior.


Well... it's not like i feel 24/7 anxiousness, it's mostly when i see that i am in the risk of being critized/yelled at/scoled by someone, which unfortunately during the time of my job, it's almost permanent... but i do not feel this at all before the sessions with my doctor.

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For techniques, I would use affect bridge age regression, parts, gestalt, dissociated dialogue followed up with suggestions.

I see... thanks.

Oh by the way forgive me for bothering you with so much talk, but as you know and understood already, i am desperate and i have to be able to have sucessfull sessions with this hypnopsicoteraphist, not other, because after all i still do trust him a lot even tough he uses the pills. Besides soon we are going to test taking the pills sooner than usual to see if i get better results since i suspect this might be the big problem in all this. Altough maybe it's best to use kainever since with that one i don't seem to have the insomnia sideeffects i have with dormicum and alprazolam.
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This sounds more like water boarding than Hypnosis...

Why doesn't he just do Hypnosis? Anything that detracts from your relaxation is going to distract from your session. Cut your loses - find someone new - even if it means you will have to travel.

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I think there are too many things working AGAINST your progress in your current hypnotist situation... You'd be better off w/o any hypnotist than to continue being a guinea pig.

Maybe try some self-hypnosis audios to 'manage' your emotional stress and increase confidence?

There are some on this site, as well as my own site - if spoken English works for you. I do not know anything about Portuguese sites.

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Garland

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I think there are too many things working AGAINST your progress in your current hypnotist situation... You'd be better off w/o any hypnotist than to continue being a guinea pig.

Maybe try some self-hypnosis audios to 'manage' your emotional stress and increase confidence?

There are some on this site, as well as my own site - if spoken English works for you. I do not know anything about Portuguese sites.

Ok i see... indeed i will have to think more on that if this continues to not work even taking the pill 2 hours in advance. Still thanks for all the advice :)

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Why doesn't he just do Hypnosis? Anything that detracts from your relaxation is going to distract from your session. Cut your loses - find someone new - even if it means you will have to travel.


He says he is unable to do hypnosis if i can't fall asleep using the pills, unless i misunderstood what he said, because when he does his work, definetly i seen the person (my stepmother and my brother) is NOT asleep and speaks and responds verbally to suggestions/questions normally (with closed eyes) so somehow he gets the person from being asleep into a hypnotic trance maybe it's the pill doing this, i don't know (remember this is HYPNOTIC and sedative pills. Anyway as i said above the problem is me constantly awaking lately just about 5-10 minutes after falling asleep, but at the moment i suspect the pills are taking too long and i will try taking them sooner. If this doesn't work, then i will really have to go to another one indeed...

UPDATE : my father just told me that my doctor told him that the kind of hypnosis he uses is called "freudian hypnosis". Any one familiar with this, and how is this related to the difficulty he is having with me ? I would like your opinion about this too, Patrick.

Edited by - Garland on 11/28/2010 08:10:20 AM
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aboutchange

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Garland, you have an abvious issue with the therapist you are currently using. If another therapist is not locally available you might want to seek someone who does telephone or internet hypnosis.

From the posts I've read PatrickG has a very good handle on therapeutic hypnosis. Perhaps PatrickG can offer you assistance over the phone or internet.

He is someone, if I were in his area, I would entertain for referrals.
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