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peter

Canada
21 Posts

Posted - 09/03/2004 :  11:58:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello to all, I was wondering if you should use a fast induction in order to get things moving rather than a long winded one? I basically know nothing about inductions,is it easier to rapid induce than to " Give a never ending speech" which may bore your partner?

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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 09/04/2004 :  06:39:18 AM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Your already in a trance why slow things down.


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anthony

Canada
305 Posts

Posted - 09/04/2004 :  10:31:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A facinating question. Let me ask you, would you preffer to read an exciting adventure type story, or would you preffer to read a boring book on a subject you have no interest in?
I doubt that you have any problem answering that question, but I must tell you that both books have the same number of words, and take the same time to read. Does that make any difference to your answer? Therefore, if one is bored by the long method of induction, it is obvious that the practitioner is untrained, improperly trained, or a thoughtless idiot.....At times, when I work with someone, they have no idea of when I begin the induction, or when it is finished. They are facinated all the time, and often don't even know that they have been hypnotised.......That of course is true of the first interview, when I do my testing of the client seruptitiously in order to decide how to proceed in the future. Sometimes I am so successful that no further sessions are required, and they go away thinking they had a wonderful time, that I am a terrific person, and they are now convinced that no hypnosis is needed in order for them to overcome the problem....At other times, I use a fast induction, intended to show the client they are getting value for money, and have an expert to assist them. I do this,not because I want to make myself appear great, but because the client needs the confidence I inspire in them through my actions, and I save time that I can put to better use than an induction....
You see, you can tell a lot about a hypnotist by that first induction, and if it bores you, don't use them again. On the other hand, the long method may well be an advantage to the client, allowing them to practise effectively between sessions, and allowing you to get results faster. Naturally, this means less sessions and less money from the client, but it's amazing how fast word travels about how good, and how inexpensive you are, resulting in more clients to compensate.
The biggest reason for the boring induction, is the need of the hypnotist to be great, this means that the client takes second place in order of importance, and the practitioner is the one who need the help.....Physician heal they self......
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peter

Canada
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Posted - 09/05/2004 :  12:15:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wish to thank you folks for taking the time to read my posting and give me advise,could you be kind enough to advise me if you use your own inductions or is there good inductions avalible to the consumer?
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Suggest-o-Man

Australia
15 Posts

Posted - 04/13/2005 :  10:36:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If, for a moment, you ignore the question of the relative merits of "fast" or "slow" inductions, it is, from my experience, very important to recognize the counter-intuitive fact that, as individual subjects become more experienced in entering hypnosis, your deepening procedures become even more important. Whilst it is true that experienced subjects "enter" hypnosis far more quickly than "first-timers", it also seems to be the case that they tend to take much longer to reach the depth you require for treatment (and the length of time it takes them to get "there" seems to increase with the number of treatments they have had). Consequently, you should always be conscious of the fact that, as your subjects become more experienced, they generally require far more deepening -- and this seems to be due to the fact that they are so extremely comfortable with hypnosis that they are increasingly able to relax and enjoy the slow journey of meandering along to whatever depth you require for your work to take place. (As a final point, even though they take longer to reach wherever they are going each time they are hypnotized, they reach a far deeper state once they are "there".)

Edited by - Suggest-o-Man on 04/14/2005 6:51:19 PM
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 04/25/2005 :  09:53:16 AM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
With respect to everyone's beliefs and experience, I disagree with most of what has been said on the subjects of speed of induction and depth of trance. The progressive relaxation (slow induction) was the universal induction until about twenty years ago. I have been teaching instant and rapid inductions to large classes in hypnotherapy training for fifty-three years and marketing videotapes of instant inductions from 1954 until the present.
Progressive relaxation depends on fatiguing (tiring) the nervous system with monotonous and repetitive ideas with limited content (suggestions of sleep).
Instant and rapid inductions utilize an overload (shock)to the
nervous system using one or more of five psychological principals
in the induction. The successful induction depends upon exciting the imagination, developing mental expectancy and using the ritual of induction. The main shortcoming of the progressive relaxation induction is it has little effect on analytical subjects. I always use instant induction on the first induction, then I condition the subject with several instant reinductions for speedy response,and I give the client a relaxation cassette with instruction to play it each day between sessions. After the first session, I simply look at the client and say "sleep" and the trance is induced. Fast or slow is an anacronistic and outmoded concept,in my opinion.


With Respect to all,

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]

Edited by - mark-gil on 02/11/2007 4:12:22 PM
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 04/25/2005 :  10:10:11 AM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Depth of Trance--Until recently, the old belief prevailed that the therapeutic response of the client was linked to the depth of trance achieved during therapy. This belief is based upon another false idea that the subject goes into trance and is deepened to a supposed depth that guarantees results. Therapeutic response comes from the client's readiness for change, the relationship with the hypnotherapist, the client's willingness to give up secondary benefits
and the Grace of God. "Depth of trance" is more correctly named
"quality of response". So-called "depth" is controlled by the prevailing brain wave patterns and is subject to instant change created by input from the therapist and the clients emotionalized response. Improve the result by giving up the belief that "the deeper the trance the faster the result""

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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ForumMaster

USA
669 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2005 :  12:37:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit ForumMaster's Homepage  Reply with Quote
For more on Depth of Trace - there has been a new seperate thread started.

Click here: Depth of Trace

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bian101

3 Posts

Posted - 02/11/2007 :  1:30:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hiya please could people post in deatail how to do the handshake please.
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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 02/11/2007 :  2:51:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This will show you how.

http://www.nlpweekly.com/?p=909

ENJOY

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bian101

3 Posts

Posted - 02/12/2007 :  3:58:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ty for that and i have tryd it but it dousnt work? i cant understand y. is thereany easyer techneaqus please?
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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 02/12/2007 :  4:29:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
it does work you just need to have a little skill and maybe some training, so you can get te timing right. its also a confidence thing as well, you you lake personal power, then you need to start from the start. go back to that site, and read everything that you can.

Jay

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Sombudude

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 02/13/2007 :  07:37:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would reccomend that you do some "pretalk"(to build rapport), then maybe a quick test to make sure the person is a good(easy) subject. Just going up to someone and randomly using this method may not be successful, if they have no idea what the heck your doing.

Millions of electrons were violently inconvenienced to post this message.
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trancer67

United Kingdom
1 Posts

Posted - 08/17/2008 :  8:22:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit trancer67's Homepage  Reply with Quote
have a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr05VnXspIo

Regards.
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HypnoDoc

USA
365 Posts

Posted - 08/18/2008 :  3:38:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It is too bad the sound does not match up with his lips after the first minute or so. You cannot get a very accurate idea of the timing when the voice is out of sync like that.

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