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ForumMaster

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Posted - 03/12/2005 :  4:23:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit ForumMaster's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This post by Gil Boyne was moved here by the ForumMaster.

I have become greatly concerned over the seeming willingness of many of those involved in hypnosis to accept the outrageous without question, and to make outrageous claims themselves. I have seen web pages and posts by some hypnotherapists supporting the idea that they can drive demons (depossession) from people halfway across the world, while others claim to be able to heal all forms of cancer. My concern is how people react to such claims.

Hypnosis can effect tremendous changes and great improve the quality of one’s life. But it can also be used to take advantage of peoples’ vulnerability and ignorance.

Many spend hundreds of dollars on books, tapes and seminars in an effort to avoid personal therapy. It is very disturbing to read posts on the internet such as the one by a man whose wife had been in therapy for just three weeks when her therapist informed her she was possessed by a demon. Someone posted a response that she should get a new therapist and immediately several others posted that the first therapist could be right!

These beliefs may be part of certain religious doctrines but should not be offered as hypnotherapy treatment to suffering and naïve clients. There is no empirical evidence that such demons are anything more than the hypnotherapist’s need to proselytize their own beliefs at the clients expense.

Many people live in fear, pain and suffering because of such beliefs and many of the mentally ill have suffered torments because their untreated illness makes it impossible for them to differentiate their beliefs from reality.

When someone has a personality disorder, great damage can occur when a hypnotherapist tells them they are possessed by a demon or that an alien has taken over their body and soul (the demon from outer space). I am astonished that such charlatans are lionized at certain hypnosis conventions and are given the opportunity to present seminars to influence others that some clients can be persuaded that the troubles are due to an external, mysterious, other-world force and that only the hypnotherapist has the power to free them,(at an exorbitant hourly fee).

I view this as an intensely neurotic power trip for the therapist who is filled with shame over their own feelings of inadequacy, incompetence and inability to help the client in more creative,
life-affirming ways.

If hypnotherapy is to continue to gain public acceptance we must disconnect ourselves from the “occult, arcane and strangely fanatical practices.”

Should depossession and alien possession be part of hypnotherapy training courses, seminars and conference presentations? Should hypnotherapists attempt to convince clients that the “Devil Makes Them Do It?”

Post your views on this matter.

Gil Boyne

anthony

Canada
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Posted - 03/17/2005 :  5:49:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I both sympathise and support you statements Gil, but the fact is, these boards are open to all who choose to visit and post, and even were registation is required, nobody really checks who is the real person behind a posting. It is, and always will be, a buyer beware situation, and we can do little to change that except that on seeing such claims made, jump on the poster with facts, and make them so uncomfortable that they will cease and desist. Fact is, there is a preponderance of ignorance out there, and we are not likely to make a dent in it when all the millions of dollars we spend on eductation is unable to affect it.... On the other hand, do we really wish to do so? Are you so sure the what you believe is the only truth? What I believe is the only truth? Fact is, we have no idea what is true for all of us, except that we do know that people batten on the ignorance of others to make a profit. I know I can create what others call "miracles", but which I see as normal, and due to an earned skill. Now the question is, who is right, the person who claims it is a miracle, or me? Besides, what is their interpretation of the word "miracle"? (G)..... The ignorant we will always have with us, and they will always have followers....
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hal

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Posted - 03/19/2005 :  5:05:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
comment from an english hypnotherapist,without the vast experience of your self,these people arent hypnotherapist....where is the therapy in bringing fear into someones life,they go for help not to given the would be therapists belief structure to obtain more cash....even if the therapist believed in this and it were true,they should not instill this belief in the vulnerable who are there seeking help.

hal
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anthony

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Posted - 03/19/2005 :  5:35:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Obviously some will spot the con, but they don't care, they know there will always be ignorant people who will fall for it. I am suspicous of anyone advertising anything in tandem with hypnosis, even NLP which after all is part of the whole, and if they advertise anything quirky, I put them on my ignore list, and complain.........
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Alan

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Posted - 03/30/2005 :  12:05:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

In a world that I have yet to find in, the person who can answer my questions fully. Would I be silly to dismiss anothers findings because of statistics. Constantly the world is given new and innovative ways to deal with what we label everyday life yet we still wear the blinkers. Just as hypnosis practitioners strive for it to be accepted as another cog, so do others with their beliefs. Lets not have them go into hiding like Mesmer, where would you be now if hypnosis (a label) had been put to an early grave.
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anthony

Canada
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Posted - 03/31/2005 :  10:44:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Alan, I have a task for you to complete, which I believe will answer your query as to why you can't find anyone to answer your questions in a manner satisfactory to you..... First of all, please find any statement made by me, that suggests YOU should not believe certain things? I believe all I stated was my own beliefs, and my own intent when faced with certain situations...Secondly, were will I find any statement that Mesmer went into hiding at any time during his life? My own readings show him to be loud and bombastic, unable to react with reasonable thought to negative comments regarding his findings, and generally a rather thorny persons whom nobody liked.... Perhaps we are reading different books, but surely not that different? It would also seem that Mesmer's findings have all been proved incorrect, and that he stumbled on a system which worked, by accident, and others were left to make sense of it, Braid being one.
Now if you are going to benifit from membership on this board or any other, it behoves you to read with care, not skip over the posts of others. This later leads to misunderstandings, and the loss is to those who are learning, not the those who reply....
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Alan

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Posted - 04/01/2005 :  12:41:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thank you Anthony for the task, complete in 2 secs or there abouts.

It was not your post I was reffering to and secondly if I struck a raw nerve I apologise as that was not my intent then or now.

Regards Alan
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anthony

Canada
305 Posts

Posted - 04/01/2005 :  11:43:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No Allen, the raw nerve you reffer to was not due to anything you said in your post, but rather the attitude of acceptance which some of us don;t have and won't accept. Hypnosis is a valid theraputic tool, while other less investigated areas are not, and using them in conjunction with hypnosis under any circumstances except in experiments, is unacceptable to the purists among us,myself included. I have done research on psychic matters, and had interesting results, but would never use what I found on a client, since such have not been proven beyond doubt in the market place, while hypnosis has passed every test given. To mix the two is an insult to our profession, and those who accept this are fools, since the suggestion is present, that the practitioner knows little about any of it, and is using a scatter gun aproach to achieve some success, and find clients whom they can milk....I base my assumption on the few I have met who do this, but I am suspect they are all much alike in attitude.
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Alan

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Posted - 04/02/2005 :  07:54:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Hello Anhoney....Experiments, now there is a thing. Do they prove without `doubt` or does the word `reasonable` have to be added to allow for flaws that show up at a future date. As a `purist` you are happy that `Hypnosis` is not mixed,does not have any impurities, is innocent and/or good, complete and nothing but. I cannot say I am a purist because I cannot agree with all the above definitions. Maybe some day someone will, as you say `Stumble` on something from what you deem a questionable source, and allow others to make sense of.

Regards Alan.

Disclaimer|- My spelling may not be the best but neither am I.
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