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dishinstallers

9 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2005 :  02:22:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,

I have a lady that I know that has Multiple Personality Disorder (now known as Dissociative Idenity Disorder). She is currently living in a VERY abusive environment. One that involves ritual abuse. She was taken to the "church" therapist and was hypnotized. This "church" therapist told her while under hypnsis that her regular therapist (one who specializes in MPD/DID) was bad and to stop seeing her as a way of controling and manipulating her.

This is a VERY complex situation, but the Host (original personality with the legal name) is now in a very serious situation. Whenever she is present, she wets herself and is like in a catatonic state. The majority of the time another totally separate personality is in contRol of the body.

Any therapist that understands Dissociative Idenity Disorder (formerly known as MPD) knows that hypnosis of someone with MPD/DID can have terrible affects. I need help from someone to see if there is a resource out there that can undo what this "church" therapist has done to her.

Thanks so much for your time!

Edited by - dishinstallers on 05/23/2005 02:22:38 AM

HypnoDoc

USA
364 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2005 :  01:31:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello,

I don't understand what you mean by church hypnotist. Someone at her church is doing hypnosis or are you saying it is like a cult? I personally do not know any Hypnotherapist that would have a session with someone for a condition that was under a doctor's treatment let alone suggest she not see them anymore. Is the other therapist you mention a doctor?

I don't know if we are getting enough information here. However having another hypnotherapist try to undo the hypnosis would still be doing hypnosis on someone who is under a doctor's treatment.

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dishinstallers

9 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2005 :  01:38:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The "church" therapist is a therapist that is used by the cult. I do not know if she is a Dr or not. I am wondering if ANYTHING could be done to undo what this "church" therapist did to her. I understand about not wanting to treat another Dr's patient, but I think the therapist might be open to any suggestions on how to undo what the cult therapist did to her.
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2005 :  09:16:02 AM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
In fifty years of practice, I have had ONE multiple personality
case. A second personality emerged spontaneously during a quite ordinary therapy session. The person was not a client but a social friend from England who was visiting us. Since we went to England every year for vacation,for the next seven years I worked with her whenever I went to London. Finally, after seven years of intermittent therapy sessions, she came to Los Angeles and I was able to work with her on a regular basis. In an extraordinary series of sessions, We were able to integrate eight separate personalties . The following year, this transformed woman came to LA again to train with me as a hypnotherapist. I have twelve of her therapy sessions on videotape.
Many years have passed and she is now highly successful working in the corporate world as a "stress management consultant". That said, I would NEVER encourage anyone to attempt to word with MPD
other than a psychiatrist with a highly specialized background of experience. Whatever your relationship with this person may be,
STOP YOUR EFFORTS TO TREAT THEM and your effort to FIND A HYPNOTIST THAT WILL. I was lucky many years ago, I would not ever do a similar case again. This is potentially very dangerous ground. You can do harm and be charged with "Practicing Medicine without a License". Your involvement can also lead to your personal and emotional psychic harm. With Respect, Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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dishinstallers

9 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2005 :  2:31:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I could not agree more with you!! I am just a friend trying to find a solution that I can pass along to her DID therapist. The church therapist has really messed with her head to say the least!! I am just hoping and praying that someone here will have some information that I can pass along that MIGHT help undo what this church therapist had done to her.
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2005 :  7:00:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I feel you either have some kind of emotional connection with this person or you want to be a "rescuer." GET OVER IT! You are too emotionally involved.
With Respect, Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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dishinstallers

9 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2005 :  7:08:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am a good friend.....what does that have to do with trying to get someone help? If something can be done to correct or undo what this cult therapist did, what difference does it make??
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HypnoDoc

USA
364 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2005 :  8:24:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I believe that Gil thinks that you are a Hypnotherapist and are trying to get some helpful direction on how to treat this person. You should make your relationship a bit more clear in that you are not a hypnotist and are just good friend trying to help. That said, he IS giving you good advice even as "just a good friend" - you may be getting too involved with this issue and are possibly in danger of messing up your own mental health. Try steering the circumstances toward professional help and extricate yourself from the entire situation.

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dishinstallers

9 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2005 :  9:14:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To be honest I don't believe in hypnosis. But I do know that a friend of mine has been horribly abused through the use of hypnosis and I wanted to know if there is anything that can help...That's all.
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HypnoDoc

USA
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Posted - 05/24/2005 :  10:10:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So eventually we will get the full story... but you want to give it to us in small sections for some reason, yes?

How do you know it was Hypnosis that was used?

We do not have anything called "church hypnosis" so is it possible that you are confusing some brainwashing by a cult, calling itself a church, as hypnosis. Am I getting close? Feel free to give us more details or not.

Perhaps at this point the "or not" may be the best solution since you seem to be having a hard time telling us what is actually going on - all at one time. Yet you are expecting someone from our group to give you some "magic advice" to resolve your friend's issues, here in an open written forum based on that limited information.

It is a lose - lose situation for anyone to offer you hypnosis advice since you don't believe in hypnosis. The advice is doomed to fail.

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dishinstallers

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Posted - 05/25/2005 :  12:54:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I get the distinct impression that you didn't have any intention of helping anyway. I don't know a lot of detail about it or I would give it. Yes it was hypnosis....that is why I came to a hypnosis forum! The person that did this to my friend is a therapist that is used by the cult which I explained in an earlier post. Either tell me what I am leaving out or dont bother responding.
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Matrixman

United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/25/2005 :  05:00:34 AM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
hello. ok I hope you and your friend, find the help and guidance, that you are looking for, I would consider taking a look at this web site, and making contact with Michael or Bob, who will be happy, putting you in contact with people, who they know have the skills, to help. www.neurosemantics.com or at least will point you in the direction that will serve you well.

MPD is a complex learnd skill, and an incredible and artful way of coding neuro-logical processes, the process of repatterning, yes is complex, yet at the same time, easy to repattern, it come down to a few simple steps, yet you do need skill, to track them, one detect how many Personalitys your working with. 2 find out what each one is trying to achieve, 3 make peace with each part, 4 aline both conscious and other then conscious, process, 5 intergrate all parts, 6 run ecology mind=body system check. 7 live life well.


If it has consciousness it's already in a trance.
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dishinstallers

9 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2005 :  11:18:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the information Matrixman! I will look into it and pass it along. She is very lucky to have a therapist that specializes in DID, but the hypnosis that was done by the church (cult) therapist is a HUGE hurdle for her at this point. Again thank you for your time in responding to this with information that you think will be helpful.
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anthony

Canada
305 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2005 :  1:48:45 PM  Show Profile  Click to see anthony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
If Mark was fooled into thinking of you as a hypnotist, I will strip him of his badge and ground him for good..... No, it is apparent that you are a friend, meddling in a situation that you have no knowledge of, and are therefor a dangerous person. Stop meddling, and let those who have the skills do their work without interference.
Complaining that we won't help is patently stupid, you are asking for the impossible based on ignorance, and as this is so, we can offer nothing that will satify you....I have a policy, I never answer a third party question, simply because I believe they are of no help to the person suffering...
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dishinstallers

9 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2005 :  1:55:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The person involved is in a catatonic state or I guess you didn't read that part. So it would make it hard for her to ask you directly!
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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2005 :  3:08:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
dishinstallers ... Mark and Anthony are only talking from there point of view, and they both have good points, I on the other hand, I don't class my self as an hypnotherapiest, even though, I have a number of pieces of paper then would give me that title, yet I don't like or care, to much about lake, in any respcet, there is always a way, to help someone in need, be 3rd part or otherwise, we have tanken on the task to promote welbeing with the aid of hypnosis, not to argue, what is right or wrong, dishinstallers it is a little tricky, to address your points, in a way, that would bring about much needid benifit to your friend, that is not to say, that we can not point you to people that might be able to give your friend, the help that she needs, I can offer two thing's, one a frandly ear if you care to e-mail me, and a list of places you might care to check out..

Jay Budzynski aka matrixman
NLP Master Practitioner..

Developer Of Holomorphosis metascapes repatterning (C) 2003/2005


If it has consciousness it's already in a trance.
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John D

United Kingdom
34 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2005 :  3:32:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit John D's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I just cannot understand why people seeking information are systematically attacked by some posters.

Dishinstallers did not commit a crime, he or she simply came to a forum where he/she believed he/she could get some information from the experts here on how best to help her friend.

Dishinstallers, I don't know where you and your friend reside, but one of the top world authorities in dissociative disorders is Dr Maggie Phillips. She, with another authority in dissociative disorders, Dr Claire Frederick, have developed a therapy approach specifically designed for people suffering from this type of disorder. This therapy does involve hypnosis and it is broadly based on John & Helen Watkins' Ego-State Therapy as well as Ericksonian techniques and methods.

Dr Phillips and Dr Frederick are currently regarded as the top world authorities in DID and their therapy has been very successful even with very difficult cases. If you don't live anywhere near where Dr Phillips practices, you can still contact her and, I'm sure, she will be able to recommend a properly skilled therapist near you.

Dr Maggie Phillips
Oakland, California
Director of the California Institute of Clinical Hypnosis
Tel: 1 800743 2226
Email: information@nicabm.com

John S. Dovelos, Ph.D.
Athenaeum University International
www.unicollege-edu.net
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dishinstallers

9 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2005 :  3:41:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you John!! My friend nas a WONDERFUL DID therapist, but she has been stuck with this hypnosis problem. I will DEFINITELY contact the sources that you recommended and see if they can point her DID therapist in the right direction!
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