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gai142

Israel
2 Posts

Posted - 08/03/2005 :  07:55:45 AM  Show Profile
someone read the McGill's Hypnotherapy Encyclopedia , and can tell me about it?
tenx!

anthony

Canada
305 Posts

Posted - 08/07/2005 :  3:16:28 PM  Show Profile
A wonderfull book, you should learn to read and then you can read it for yourself....
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gai142

Israel
2 Posts

Posted - 08/08/2005 :  2:48:22 PM  Show Profile
Thank you!
can you tell me more about McGill's Hypnotherapy Encyclopedia?
(what ther is inside the book)(list of contents / contents)
Thank you again,

Edited by - gai142 on 08/09/2005 11:32:14 AM
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ForumMaster

USA
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Posted - 08/09/2005 :  8:14:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit ForumMaster's Homepage
Do a search in the HOL bookstore for McGill - there is a link to the Amazon details about the book along with some Editorial Reviews.

http://hypnosisonline.com/bookshop/

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hal

United Kingdom
34 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2005 :  02:24:04 AM  Show Profile
IVE bought ormond mcgills book proffessiopnal stage hypnotism and also his later books on stage hypnosis.
I found a lot of his stuff outdated and some embarrassing to use,such as the use of some sprayed drug or other to put subject to sleep,hypnotising frogs and chickens.
todays audience wont accept some of this and some may even be illegal.
If anyone wants a book on stage hypnosis the best ive seen around is deeper and deeper by jonathan chase.
There is no wasted space in it and it really reveals all secrets and explains a full stage show,he blows all the myths and shows you how to do it all.
this book should be banned for making it look to simple and giving away the game.
i think i paid around fifteen pounds for it ,new.
I have paid many times more for loads of rubbish and ramblings by so called top hypnotists

hal
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 10/27/2005 :  12:38:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage
McGills' book is titled Encylopedia of Stage Hypnosis and not Encylopedia 0f Hypnotherapy. McGill was never a hypnotherapist in the sense of having an office and seeing clients on a daily basis. He taught brief metaphysical approaches to hypnotherapy at the Hypnotism Training Institute in Northern Calif.He was the ultimate Master of Magic and Stage Hypnotism shows.
We were close friends for thirty-five years right up to his recent demise. With Respect to all and Most Especially to Ormond McGill.
Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/28/2005 :  12:53:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage
Hello Hal, I find your comments about McGill's book somewhat thoughtless.
The earliest version of the book was written in the late thirties when there were very few stage hypnotists and nowhere to learn the art.
Ormond played chiefly in large theatres with a hour of magic, an intermission and an hour of stage hypnotism. He circled the globe eight
times and was truly a pioneer. He paved the way for the present stage hypnotists. He wrote twenty five books on magic and hypnotism, many of which are still in print. The Encylopedia of Stage Hypnosis (which you demean) is an international best seller. Finally, Ormond's shows were always in good taste and he never descended to sexual inneundo or vulgar language as many of the current generation of stage hypnotists do.
Since my posting of his obituary, I have been flooded with emails from his innumerable friends who pay tribute to his contributions. It is unfortunate that you feel competent to be so critical and unwilling to pay respect to a great professional.
Perhaps you might inform this audience of your contributions and achievments in this field.
With Respect to those who can show Respect----- Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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StageHyp

USA
39 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2005 :  11:20:43 PM  Show Profile
Right On, Gil,

...what's up, Hal? What is it with cutthroat arrogance among so many stage hypnotists. I never met Ormond McGill, but I guarantee there wasn't a sweeter, kinder stage hypnotist on the planet...I treasure his many books. Play nice!
Best Regards,

Stage Hypnotist Simone
Las Vegas, NV
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saucers

3 Posts

Posted - 11/16/2005 :  10:19:12 PM  Show Profile
>I find your comments about McGill's book somewhat thoughtless.

There doesn't seem to be anything 'thoughtless' about Hal's comments, he seems to be stating his opinion...without even pretending it is anything more than that.
I agree with his comments about 'The New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnosis,' and think that many of the methods stated are outdated.

>It is unfortunate that you feel competent to be so critical and unwilling to pay respect to a great professional.

Thats a bit harsh isnt it? I think Hal's post was perfectly valid and I got no impression that he was unwilling to pay his respects to Ormand McGill. Did you?

I understand you may have had a great respect (even friendship)for Mr. McGill, but why do you feel the need to shout down anyone who has the slightest problem with his work? Is that not slightly petty? Would you prefer everyone wholeheartedly praised everything he ever wrote?

Please note, I do not doubt the significance of what Ormand McGill wrote, but I think people are entitled to their own opinions without backlash from condescending individuals...
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2005 :  02:06:54 AM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage
Saucers, You are off on the wrong foot on your very first post to the forum.
The new breed of stage hypnotists stand on the shoulders of Ormond McGill and a few others like him. His many appearances on the immensely popular Art Linkletter T.V.show was a major factor in developing public acceptance of hypnosis.This was a time when hypnosis was poorly received and the practice of hypnotherapy was unknown.The original Encylopedia of Stage Hypnosis ((circa-1942)was the book that taught me how to hypnotize. There were no other books, schools, teachers to learn from at that time.Hal mentions Ormond describing the use of a DRUG in the book. Totally untrue! Ormond describes an effect that uses powdered saccarin to reinforce the suggestion of a sweet taste in the subjects mouth.
Are early computers outdated today? Were they the foundation for current sophisticated models? Is your car different from those of sixty tears ago>?
Both you and Hal show an appaling lack of RESPECT for a true pioneer!
P.S. It is generally considered poor taste to speak poorly of the recently deceased. They cannot answer but Some have friends who remember
and respect their memory.
PPS. Thousands of hypnotists world-wide are paying $65.00 and upward for Ormond's New Encylopedia of Stage Hypnosis. Pewrhaps, if you read it again, you can make a more informed comment.
.With Respect for those who have earned it. (in my opinion)
Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]

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saucers

3 Posts

Posted - 11/24/2005 :  2:25:57 PM  Show Profile
mark-gil,

>Totally untrue! Ormond describes an effect that uses powdered saccarin to reinforce the suggestion of a sweet taste in the subjects mouth.

Have you even read this book? From 'The New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism' by Ormond McGill:

'By this method a performer can issue the challenge that he can hypnotise any person in the audience...Some anaesthetic (chloroform or ether) is placed in the bottle...When the atomiser bulb is squeezed the anaesthetic vapour is forced out of the nozzle concealed in the performers's sleeve...the vapour of the anaesthetic is directed toward his [the subject's] face'

>Are early computers outdated today?

yes

>Were they the foundation for current sophisticated models?

yes

>Both you and Hal show an appaling lack of RESPECT for a true pioneer!

I haven't the faintest idea how you would jump to that conclusion. I have respect for Ormond McGill's work, that does not mean to say that he was right about everything though!


>P.S. It is generally considered poor taste to speak poorly of the recently deceased. They cannot answer but Some have friends who remember
and respect their memory.

I agree on all counts, not sure what that has to do with this particular conversation though...

>Pewrhaps, if you read it again, you can make a more informed comment.

Pewrhaps you might like to do the same

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anthony

Canada
305 Posts

Posted - 11/24/2005 :  6:18:23 PM  Show Profile
How sad that such bickering should take place, not just now, but ever. To suggest that something written by McGill so many years ago, should represent present day knowledge, is not insulting to Mr McGill, but to all who followed behind him, and failed to improve on what he brought to their attention. Therefor, to comment on the obvious, that the book is outdated, is an indication of lack of anything worth saying. I defend nobody in this matter, Mr McGill wrote a book that was of great value in HIS day, FACT. I have never met him, or know much of him, but respect is something earned, and he earned his from me by doing what I wouldn't do, write a book... Now if comment is called for, let it be from those who have done something themselves to earn respect. Saucer, if a friend of yours was disrespected, I wonder what action you would take? Mark took his, and I respect that, you defend the indefencible in my opinion. But then, what do I know, I just attend the funerals of persons I respect.
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saucers

3 Posts

Posted - 11/24/2005 :  11:10:00 PM  Show Profile
> I defend nobody in this matter, Mr McGill wrote a book that was of great value in HIS day, FACT.

Im very glad you think so Anthony, I agree with you completely

>Therefor, to comment on the obvious, that the book is outdated, is an indication of lack of anything worth saying.

Anthony, I apologise but I have no idea what this sentence means. I do however think that it is VERY important to say that this book is outdated. That is the whole reason I am arguing this point...the methods in this book are outdated! Just as a scientific masterpiece written now will be outdated in a couple of decades. It happens, get over it.


>I have never met him, or know much of him, but respect is something earned, and he earned his from me by doing what I wouldn't do, write a book...

okay, im not sure i agree with the logic there. Many people have written books. Where is this going?


>Saucer, if a friend of yours was disrespected, I wonder what action you would take?

If a friend of mine wrote a book and someone disagreed with the content of the book, would I take offence? No. Even if my frined died? er...no, not at all. I really dont understand the logic here.

>you defend the indefencible in my opinion.

er...what?!

I really dont understand the issue here. Hal wrote what I consider a very valid comment about the content of a particular book. He was criticised for displaying his own opinion (something which I would have welcomed on a web board such as this).I have since shown that some of what he said is true...yet I am being attacked for 'being disrespectful' to the person who wrote the book.

How can we expect to make progress in hypnosis if we are criticised for having an opinion?
Even if I strongly disagree with a person's opinion I never lower myself to patronising that person or trying to make them feel guilty.

The issue of Ormond McGill's death should never have come into play here. We are not talking about Ormond McGill but the content of one of his many books. I would have expected Marc-Gil to appreciate that but I was obviously mistaken.
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HypnoDoc

USA
365 Posts

Posted - 11/25/2005 :  01:29:12 AM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage
saucers,

What is your motive here? Defend Hal? Get in a heated discussion? Keep bumping the thread up?

Don’t answer… I know you feel the need to, but just don’t.

You seem to have come into this forum just recently - to make your first (and only) posts in this one area - all of which seem to continuously prolong and exacerbate the things that have already been stated. I think we have all read and understand everyone’s side. Time to let it rest.


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