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Paul33

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Posted - 09/26/2005 :  3:20:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,
I need quick and easy way to get some one reprogrammed to their original state of mind before they joined a religious cult, as we have very very limited days for him to be in touch with us.
Which hypnosis Techniques to be used to deprograme a brain who is under influence of deep trance hypnosis.

To answer your questions about why , are you sure about the cult.
= yes, the organization is a cult.as it has used all the same methods as described in cult charaterstic books.
= Yes, patient/victim behaves exactly as a cult member, left his home, never came back, no attachment to family, no love for parent, family, no career, came from rich family , was dissolutioned about his career, when joined the cult and started meditation and then about leader, took about 1 year to go in. Family tried fought with cult members, police got involved but as he is over 21 so can't force him to leave. etc etc. all cult charaterstics. His health detoriated, sleep 4 hrs only from last 5 yr, gave him a work to do in their organization to sell cult material, limited food only, No TV no newspaper from last 5 yr. So He is a dedicated worker and fully brain washed for the cult leader. Got him out forcibly but then runs away in a day or 2 days. Unfortunately i can't disclose the name here as you know why.

-- What i want to know , seems like there is an opportunity for his family to get him out from their boundary for couple of days , and i need help in thoughts ::
= =how do his family behaves with him.
== What type of foods we should give him more, (especially asking bout sugar, spices, if you are professional or have any hands on experience in cults then you know why i am asking this question.)
== Is there any articles i can find about deprogramming, as so far i am able to find & understand what is cult and how they manipulated him ,and what they are doing to him and why, and he is in deep trance.

== How do we break his deep trance stage, and get him back to original pace of mind.
== What we should specifically do that he shouldn't be scared from cult people or have a guilt of leaving cult and enjoy his life.

== We are sure cult people will come after family also, how does family must protect themselves and from the cult leader, as cult leader is filthy rich and has all political connections, and is on TV at any one of the channels at least 6 hours/day , repeat cast of his preaching meetings, has millions and millions of followers etc. as with all the cult leaders.

=== If we deprograme him , then does the hypnosis of deprogramming will stay or he can be attracted back to cult , as he has been with them for over 5 years now.

=== One more important question, family is so scared that if they keep him in the same house and we say anything against the cult then he may hurt family members while they are sleeping ? As currently he get abusive and stop seeing family when they visit him in his church. Do family needs to be scared of their life when he comes back? Please answer this question only if you are professional and have experience with ex- or current cult members of any type.

=== What specific methods we must use to deprogramme him. I am just a person who came across his family and committed to help them, and i do want to help them. Please guide me how can i help them.

Thanks
Paul

HypnoDoc

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Posted - 09/26/2005 :  3:48:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello,

There are many organizations that deal with deprogramming people from cults. This has little to do with Hypnosis. It is possible for hypnosis to be used as part of deprogramming process if the individual wanted to be helped, however as a stand alone process this would never work.

You may find the following thread of interest:

http://hypnosisonline.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=622

I suggest you do a search online in your favorite search engine for "cult deprogramming" and you will find an abundance of organizations all willing to be of service.

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anthony

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Posted - 09/26/2005 :  7:12:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Don't want much do you? A quick and also easy way to return someone to their original state after they have been programmed by a cult eh? And I suppose you intend to do this yourself, not hire an expert to do it for you? There is no such program and never will be even when done by an expert. You reffer to this person as victim of a cult, but fact is they are there by choice, and nobody forced them into anything. Someone did however find a vacuum in which to plant ideas that were attractive to this person, and persuaded them to leave family and friends, and work hard for a group. Wonder why they were able to do this? Yes I can tell you though you will find it objectionable and reject it outright. Just because a person has family, money, friends and the so called good life, does not mean they are happy. The cult finds the weakness that exists and caters to it, thus attracting the individual whom the family then perceives as a victim. If the person is happy, good for them, that is after all the goal of all of us, so finding out what it was that filled that vacuum is a requirement if they are to be weaned from the cult and returned to family and friends. It also involves changes for that family because obviously there was a lack somewere, be it lack of a belief system such as religion, lack of real love, which was likely replaced by gifts and the provision of good foods, wines, etc, but no real person love, or some other lack which is up to the family to persue. Now I don;t care if you accept what I say or not, but since I have investigated cults, and you have not, I imagine my understanding of what causes their success is greater than yours. It should be inderstood that I don't like cults, and don't blame families for their deficiencies either, but I do understand the "why" and tell you that there is no easy way to change that person, just a way to make life better at home than with the cult, so that they will stay with the family instead of rejoining the cult.
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Paul33

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Posted - 09/30/2005 :  12:50:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks HypnoDoc
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Anthony thanks for your reply.
Don't want much do you?
==== When i posted this thread, i was hoping the cult victim to come home that day for some reason and was excited so what i wanted was an easy to do things with him... but he never came... so now i have extra time to educate myself on how to deal with him in his recovery.


A quick and also easy way to return someone to their original state after they have been programmed by a cult eh? And I suppose you intend to do this yourself, not hire an expert to do it for you?
=== We want to hire expert but in India there is no one i could find so far who is open minded and has experience in cults, infact 999 out of 1000 people reject my idea as they have never heard English world "Religious CULT" and then i have to explain them...this is because of our religious beliefs and these are exploited by almost all of he religious leaders.


You refer to this person as victim of a cult, but fact is they are there by choice, and nobody forced them into anything. Someone did however find a vacuum in which to plant ideas that were attractive to this person, and persuaded them to leave family and friends, and work hard for a group. Wonder why they were able to do this? Yes I can tell you though you will find it objectionable and reject it outright. Just because a person has family, money, friends and the so called good life, does not mean they are happy. The cult finds the weakness that exists and caters to it, thus attracting the individual whom the family then perceives as a victim. If the person is happy, good for them, that is after all the goal of all of us, so finding out what it was that filled that vacuum is a requirement if they are to be weaned from the cult and returned to family and friends. It also involves changes for that family because obviously there was a lack somewhere, be it lack of a belief system such as religion, lack of real love, which was likely replaced by gifts and the provision of good foods, wines, etc, but no real person love, or some other lack which is up to the family to persue.


===== I accept what you said above, and each and every word is true. In fact you have answered your question by yourself, Just look at your answer with an open mind and see for yourself that the leader has exploited the emotions of the religious victim. It can be anything. Most of the cult leaders also will give you the same reply that this individual had problems at home and now he is at peace in this ashram :; My question is most of the kids who are recruited by the cults are between 21 and 30, and most of them sweet innocent god fearing people. I interviewed over 500 cult victims in my life so far and none of them have told me that they had problems in their life so hard that would have killed their parents, the only thing is some of them were forced to study and were angry at their parent why they are forcing them to study instead of play, or some of parents wanted their kids to join their own business where as he kid wanted to do something else in his career instead of joining his family business, Yes there was some conflict with the family but that conflict was not that large the much cult leaders exploited and brain washed the kid and molded him to force his family. As you explained above these are the tactics used by the recruiters of cult. They saw an opportunity that the person is depressed in his life and they abused his emotions and given him a direction that if he prays 1 hours/day for 30 days his problems will be solved. He must visit the ashram once a week to get doze of spiritual chanting, which ensure that the person is listening to them and coming back to be submissive.


Now I don;t care if you accept what I say or not, but since I have investigated cults, and you have not, I imagine my understanding of what causes their success is greater than yours.
=== I agree with you as stated above and by your statement i can see that you have studied the cults good.




"why" and tell you that there is no easy way to change that person, just a way to make life better at home than with the cult, so that they will stay with the family instead of rejoining the cult.
====== Yes you are right, and i am looking for way to make him happy and how to deal with his emotions so he doesn't goes back. My problem is this ashram is in India and most f the people in India are religious and belong to some sect or guru, I am religious too but now i don't believe any gurus i just pray to god instead of a human being.
I will appreciate your comments ,suggestions, articles on chemical , emotional and behaviour changes what the person goes through in and out of religious cult are appreciated.
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anthony

Canada
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Posted - 09/30/2005 :  11:51:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From what you write, it would seem that family discussions are based on resentment at the cult, and at the so called victim, and arguing is taking place instead of an attempt to understand. ASK him why he left home and joined this group, and don't reffer to it as a cult, it is insulting him to do so. If my son joined a group which took him away from family and friends, I would certainly want to know why, and in spite of being highly skilled in hypnosis, I would not stoop to use that to persuade my son to do anything against his will. I would simply ask him why, in quiet civil tones, and listen to his reply. After that, I would have a good idea of how to act in future, but if I built up resentment, I could well understand the adverse reaction.... You want to help, do so using such skills as you have, not those you lack. Your statments about deep trance by the way are not indications of hypnosis, but could perhaps be indications of drugs, though more likely it shows an inner peace that he has found his path, and the families problem, is that the path is not of their choosing....
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Paul33

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Posted - 10/02/2005 :  02:04:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Anthony, thanks...
arguing is taking place --- Yes, but that was in the inital stages , now we have been over that phase as it brought no results. Now we are just calm and trying to cope and seeking help , advise from others and hoping something positive might come up. In ref to not choosing the family path is not the case here :: It just hurts to see some one we know who is educated and begging on the street for first year in the name of the ashram, and then some one sitting in a bundary of walls with a 24 hour continuos leaders music, and serving ashrams needs erronds. And he cult leader is using all (means 100%)the techniques of religious cults as described. When family treis to visit him he is hidden or made o go to another ashram, and family is threatend to leave him alone in the name of god.
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