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celeste

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Posted - 02/25/2006 :  10:44:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
do you think it is possible for all of you pros- if a person could pull up memories of being drugged and raped thru hypnosis?

mark-gil

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Posted - 02/25/2006 :  10:55:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Celeste, This is tricky territory. If you have partial memories or evidence that rape occured, it is a criminal matter that should be
reported and prosecuted. If you have no memories and no evidence, it becomes a context to develop false memories when hypnotized.
Proceed with caution.
With Respect, Gil Boyne

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celeste

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Posted - 02/26/2006 :  10:39:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thanks. number one-it isnt about me, there is some evidence and witnesses and was reported, and there are partial memories also, she just wants to see if more comes out, so what do you think now? want honest opinions about do you think it will work, thats all.
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HypnoDoc

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Posted - 02/26/2006 :  3:31:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Celeste,

The answer is still the same. Gil's advice is right on the money. Are you are looking to help this person by practicing Hypnosis, suggest they use hypnosis or what?

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anthony

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Posted - 02/26/2006 :  4:03:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To answer your question as asked, nobody can tell you this, hypnosis is not mind control, and if the victim has no wish to disclose information it will not be forthcoming. Further, the victim may give false information if not properly treated by a highly skilled practitioner. Hence the caution Gill offered, and the reason why information obtained via hypnosis is not acceptable in court unless supported by other evidence.
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UnAdept

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Posted - 02/27/2006 :  12:18:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think, Celeste, the main concern would be that the subject, while in such a deep state of suggestibility, might fabricate a false memory unless the questioning was carefully worded by an experienced individual. Even if the hypnosis took place under the most careful of circumstances, in court it might still be argued that the claims were false memories, implanted by over-zealous investigators.

There is also some question of whether hypnosis can actually enhance normal memory. If the more established among the posters can stomach another study I vaguely recall, I seem to remember a study in which hypnotised subjects were asked how many stuffed animals they had as children - their parents were questioned as to that as well, and the results were compaired to the non-hypnotized group, it was found that the hypnotized group has about the same recall as the non-hypnotized group.

If people would like that verified, no hyperboil is necessary - simply ask and I'll go look for the reference.

-Hal
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mark-gil

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Posted - 02/27/2006 :  12:51:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Celeste, If you or others plan to hypnotize the victim, you will likely interfere with the victims chances of getting a conviction in court. The Supreme Courts of eight states have ruled on the use of hypnosis to elicit memories from victims and witnesses. The United States Supreme Court gave a ruling which included a protocol for forensic hypnosis in these cases. They ruled that the hypnosis must be done by a psychiatrist, be video taped and a number of other rules
apply. In California, prosecutors ban the use of hypnosis because
of the fact that several major convictions for rape and murder were overthrown because hypnotically elicited testimoney was used.
In Texas, law enforcement personell must take a specilly designed course in forensic hypnosis in order to use it. Even then, they must follow a strict protocol. Curiosity is not the right motive here.
If you and the victim seek justice. you must do it the right way.
With Respect, Gil Boyne

Edited by - mark-gil on 02/27/2006 12:54:11 PM
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a07002

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Posted - 08/11/2008 :  01:06:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to participate. I recall when there was a spate of allegations against daycare center operators regarding child abuse. In a few cases, children were hypnotized to elicit information. In many cases, the hypnotist's way of phrasing the questions would elicit the response the police were hoping for. I believe that there was more than one case of a hypnotists going in with the intention of giving the prosecutor exactly what he wanted.
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mark-gil

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Posted - 08/11/2008 :  3:50:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Your information is wrong. It was never hypnotism or hypnotic recall used in those cases. It was psychologists who identified themselves as "child psychologists" that used direct leading questions, Using a doll, the question was asked "did he touch you here?" as they pointed to the genital area. The day care center operators were found innocent after two years of negative publicity which ruined their careers.

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HypnoDoc

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Posted - 08/11/2008 :  7:51:35 PM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by a07002

I recall...

As you can see for yourself the memory cannot be relied on for any type of evidence. You are living proof of that fact.

Even on the most simple unimportant things it just cannot be trusted. This is why evidence collected from memory while under Hypnosis is not admissible in a court of law. However there are many documented cases (Forensic Hypnosis) where memories collected under Hypnosis have helped to provide clues to solve crimes.

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