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Tasukete

6 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  3:22:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, I've been reading through this forum and got surprised to find that apparently no-one has troubles getting hypnotized.

I imagine that my problem is the approach, for you see I've never been to a hypnotist in person, I've only tried with cds. But they don't work, I just can't get into that altered state he so often talks about. It's Dick Sutphen's Psychokinesis cd which starts with a basic induction that doesn't seem to have effect on me. What happens is that I do relax my body but I am completely conscious of his words, and by the time he is saying 'No.7, deeper, deeper deeper, No.6, deeper, deeper, deeper' I'm thinking how boring this is, and prefer to turn off the player and simply go to sleep.

The problem is that I can't sleep, I have insomnia regularly and also a nonrestorative sleep, so I feel drowsy and sleepy in the morning and during the day even if I sleep 10 hours, or 3, it's always the same. Other problems that I have (that lead me to the idea of hypnosis) is asthma and allergy. These things are mostly physical in the way they present themselves, but of course they can be as psychological as anything in its origin. I consider myself to be a very happy person, I enjoy doing things, I love learning, I compose music, I started writing a novel, but the problem is that I can't do any of these things in the way I would like to do them, due to being mostly tired and lazy as a result of it. I would understand this if it happened with things I'm not very interested in, but it happens with everything. I even lost a job earlier this year for this same reason; I just couldn't keep up with doing very easy stuff on a computer because of dizzyness and tiredness while everyone else did it just fine.

So, my question is: Can anyone give me some advice as to how to approach these problems with hypnosis? Should I definitely see a hypnotist or can I get other cds that are better?

Thanks to you all!

Tasukete.

anthony

Canada
305 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  4:07:43 PM  Show Profile  Click to see anthony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Why are you wasting your time with cheap methods? Don't you know that they are useless? Consult your doctor before doing anything else, since some of your symptoms suggest you are in need of medical help, and intervention, perhaps via a sleep clinic. Once you are cleared of all medical problems to the best of the ability of your medical advisor, then and then only seek out the best therapist you can find, and ensure they have previous experience of the problems remaining, or that if not they will offer you a guarantee that you will not be charged without results, and get it in writing. If someone has a problem entering the trance state via a practitioner, there is something wrong with that practitioner. I have never had a failure in thirty eight years, including those who told me in advance that it was impossible to hypntise them. Strange, they went under easily after our pre interview session. Of course you don't get a pre interview with an MP3 do you?
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Tasukete

6 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  5:09:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Anthony for your prompt reply. I wanted to further explain that I've been doing more or less what you suggest for the whole of last year but got always the same response from doctors, such as 'that's just the way you are' which I find totally unacceptable since change is a very important part of life, and I believe what is happening to me can be changed. I haven't done anything in a sleep clinic, but no doctor suggested it to me before.

About the therapist, I live in Argentina and I really doubt that anyone will put into writing that they guarantee anything. You mentioned the pre interview, what exactly is this, because in Dick Sutphen's cd there is an Introduction to Psychokinesis and an Altered State Preparation track before the actual induction. I heard them too but didn't make any difference.

Anyway, given that I have tried many doctors for advice and none of them were able to tell me anything helpful, what then should I do? Should I try and find a good therapist (which I have no idea of how to find)? Is there no way at all for me to try self-hypnosis?


Thanks!

Tasukete.
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  5:51:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello Tasukte, Your unwillingness to allow yourself to respond to a
hypnotic process is linked to your insomnia. A very common fear is the fear of losing control (control phobia) Your description of your avoidance of pursuit of the things you enjoy could be a sign of perfectionism,(since I know I can't be perfect, why bother?)
The pre-induction interview does more than convey information to the client. It is a give-and-take exchange, the therapist asks questions and listens intently to the answers then provides feedback for cloient's insight. But most of all, as the client realizes the herapists committment to really helping him and becomes aware of his intelligence and perception of the elements of the problem, a wonderful thing happens; the client begins to trust and believe that he can be helped NOW. It is called creating rapport! You can't get it from a CD! I agree with everything Anthony says except referral to a sleep clinic. All they can do (of value) is to set up a test for sleep apnea. I have cured hundreds of insomniacs and cured many asthma
sufferers. Find a highly experienced hypnotherapist and put yourself in their hands.
With Respect, Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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Tasukete

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Posted - 06/28/2006 :  6:07:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks a lot Gil, there is one thing I would like to ask though, is there any way to know when a hypnotist is good or not? I mean, I can probably find lots of links to people that supposedly cure you, but I'm not too sure as to how far to trust them. Should I pay attention to any details about the way they present themselves or perhaps ask some questions prior to treatment?

Thanks,

Tasukete.
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  6:17:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
I'm not too sure as to how far to trust them. Should I pay attention to any details about the way they present themselves or perhaps ask some questions prior to treatment?



This is the difficult question! Remember, you are the consumer
he therapist is the provider. The consumer has almost ALL of the rights and only a few obligations. I welcome questions from new clients because I have nothing to hide and I can answer the most difficult question simply and confidently. Of course, I have a reputation of 51 years of practice and teaching nationally and internationally.

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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Tasukete

6 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  6:26:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks! I will try to find someone and see how it goes!

Tasukete.
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Tasukete

6 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  6:36:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, and what about self-hypnosis? Is there any way I can do that instead? If yes, how can I do it? (without having the trouble I stated before)
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  8:18:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Tasukete, Self-hypnosis is difficult to learn from a book or CD.
It is usally TAUGHT by a hypnotherapist on a one-to-one basis.
You really can not do any meaningful personal therapy with long-standing issues and subconscious blocks with self-hypnosis.
Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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anthony

Canada
305 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  9:27:16 PM  Show Profile  Click to see anthony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I respect Gill, but perhaps I choose to ere on the side of caution since I know nothing of the person to whom I am replying. To suggest that sleep problems are not medical in nature is going a little far for me. I detected what seems to be sleep apnia as Gil mentioned, and consider it worthy of investigation by a medical professional. If you have not consulted a specialist, I would still consider this a proper step, unless you were considering using Gil's services. Remember, very few of us have that many years behind us, and though he and I, could readily deal with apnia if nescessary, I for my part would send you to your doctor to get written permission before I worked with you. Naturally since we live in different areas, our laws may differ, and certainly doctors here in my part of Canada would feel it quite proper to reffer a client back to me with written consent, and I could not be accused of practising medicine without a licence once that consent was granted. The fact that you keep coming back to self help methods gives me the idea that you are already committed to believing that nobody else can help you, and I consider this defeatist, and a barrier to finding proper help, since you will be half hearted in your search.
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2006 :  11:53:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The medical approach to insomnia is almost always sleeping tablets or similar medications. There is organic pathology and there is functional pathology. The two are usually intertwined but without severe organic pathology(glandular, endocrine or brain dysfunction)
the cure can be achieved with hypnotherapy, no matter how long it has persisted or how long the client has been on sleeping tablets.
Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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Tasukete

6 Posts

Posted - 06/29/2006 :  02:38:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with the things said, I might have a little resistance as to what others can do for me, but the thing is that I really don't want to take pills or anything of that sort, that is why I wanted alternatives such as hypnosis. I understand that self-hypnosis is hard to learn, so I will definitely try to find a professional hypnotist. The reason I emphasized so much on self-hypnosis isn't because I don't think anyone can cure me, but because I've been doing research and just can't find any information about hypnotists here in Buenos Aires. So my only way to fix that was to try and learn it myself. If you think this is the wrong approach to it then please tell me, if not, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions of books or articles I should read, and, if at all possible, some recordings.

Thanks to all for being so helpful!

Tasukete.
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 06/29/2006 :  09:30:02 AM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello Tsuteke, Please email your postal address and I will send you the Self-hypnosis book and my special CD for sleeping. This is a gift of friendship-no charge. Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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Left Behind

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2006 :  4:38:04 PM  Show Profile  Send Left Behind an AOL message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anthony

Why are you wasting your time with cheap methods? Don't you know that they are useless? Consult your doctor before...


You know it's interesting. I've read alot of your posts the last few days and you seem to really want to shoot down everyone who considers using mp3s or Cds, saying they never work.

Well they're working perfectly for me. So I think you're wrong.
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anthony

Canada
305 Posts

Posted - 07/13/2006 :  12:00:03 AM  Show Profile  Click to see anthony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
The success rate with tapes is very small, and therefor not recommended by ethical therapists offering advice. That you have had some success means little, since this is the exception, and not the rule. However, good for you, you got value from your purchase, and that is rare.
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HypnoDoc

USA
364 Posts

Posted - 07/13/2006 :  12:38:12 AM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
As far as I know there hasn't been any real study done to show what percentage of people are helped or not helped by audio programs. So I don't know how anyone can make a broad statement of fact that they help few or many. Fact is, over the years, these audio programs (and Hypnosis in general) have gotten much better (in production and technique) and we have had some very nice letters / email from people who have had success with our own Audio series.

Even if the audio program only helps a little bit or only helps a handful of people - it sure is better than just broadly saying "they don't work" and not trying to make a change for the better.

In most cases an audio program is the first introduction to relaxation therapy and Hypnosis for the average person. If this leads them to feel better about themselves and perhaps moves them toward a one-on-one session with a Hypnotherapist then even better.

In the end, change is not easy but it always requires a first step. For many the audio program is that first step. For others it may be assistance and support for a first step already taken. If the audio tape doesn't work for a person then that doesn't mean a one-on-one session with a Hypnosis Professional wouldn't work for them. If the audio program does help then they are that much further along the road to change.

HypnoDoc

"Relax, Listen and ______ with Hypnosis" Audio Series.
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anthony

Canada
305 Posts

Posted - 07/13/2006 :  7:14:00 PM  Show Profile  Click to see anthony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Hypnodoc, a few corrections please. If you choose to plug tapes etc under the banner of "Relaxation tapes", or "Auto suggestion tapes" I have not problem, but to lump tapes and hypnosis together shows a lack of knowlege of why hypnosis works. Now you say you know of no investigation or research into the success rate of tapes, and that may well be true, but it is not fact simply because you have not heard of it. Fact is, such research has been done over and over again, and by many different groups mine included. The results were all the same indicating that tapes work for relaxation frequently, but rarely do they give any results at all for more complicated problems. True I may have overstated if I said they never work, since they do indeed give some reasonable results for relaxation. They do not however show any apreciable results for anything more complicated, and you should know that even if you know of no research. Plain common sense would tell you that something that lacks the ability to think, and adapt to the client is not hypnosis or anything close to hypnosis. My success rate, and I am sure the success rate of any truly competent practitioner is 98%. Since you sell tapes, perhaps you have at least some small idea of the success rate of your tapes. If not, I can give them to you, and in spite of all the changes Wendie has made to her products, her rate is only slightly better than the rest, and I grant her that she has made a great effort to improve on them. You see, until such time as you can make a tape that thinks, you have no right to call what you sell a hypnosis tape, it just aint so, any more than I would think of working with a client without a pre induction conversation with them to understand both their needs and their personality. Do you have a tape that does that?
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HypnoDoc

USA
364 Posts

Posted - 07/14/2006 :  6:24:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, we do have a tape that does that - it is a custom audio program where the client gives us the text of what they want in their audio program. True, it is not a pre-induction session but then they are not purchasing a Hypnosis Session but a recorded audio program. I think that distinction is clear.

I will be most happy to review any documented reports on the effectiveness of audio programs. Since (as far as I know) such documented reports do not exist as yet, it is hardly right to lump all audio program into one group and label them "cheap methods" and say they do or do not work.

In much the same way someone who experiences a five minute chair massage might be tempted to purchase a full body massage session after a positive experience - someone who had good results with a relaxation audio program may well decide to take it to the next level and purchase a one-on-one session with a Professional Hypnotist.

Since the vast majority of people will have their very first experience (call it hypnosis or not) with an audio program - I suggest that telling them flat out that they do not work - is the same as telling them NOT to try hypnosis at all - since that message is the only real way for them to test it out is with a full session (which most people perceive as expensive) with a Professional.

You don't hear massage therapists telling people "Don't do a chair massage since that is not the real "Art" of massage." Quite the opposite, many therapists do free / inexpensive chair massages to get more full massage clients.

Surely the first step should be encouraged - I say the heck with the "Art" of Hypnosis - let's just help people to have a good experience and in the end - let's just help people.

HypnoDoc

"Relax, Listen and ______ with Hypnosis" Audio Series.
(MP3 Instant Download, CD, and Cassettes)
250 Scripts for Hypnosis Professionals
(All the scripts you may ever need for your practice)
quote:
"Words are the most powerful drug used by mankind." Rudyard Kipling.
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