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fozzybear40

USA
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Posted - 02/28/2007 :  03:57:00 AM  Show Profile  Send fozzybear40 a Yahoo! Message
let me first start this by telling you all I know nothing of hypnosis other then the last few months. My soon-to-be wife was found on an adult spy cam site from a friend of mine hence doing the hokey pokey. The reason I ask is if this can happen is I am very level headed and think outside the box. She was shown the vid and states that it isn't her. Sorry I know better then that. She's a one of a kind person in shape voice and choice of vocabulary "dead give away" I have been checking up and here this is becoming a common problem even oxford has published a newsletter on this subject. What makes me think this is due to the fact every time I bring up the subject of her hypno cd's she got off of ebay our relationship took a 180 on some subjects. And everytime I have brought up the fact that she could have been hypnotized she goes ballistic like I'm bonkers in my thinking but does accept the fact after week if this was somehow her it wasn't consented, thus it was rape. And she wants it dropped "period/end of subject" The reason I belive she was trans induced or something of the like is due to the fact that out of the 7 minute clip I have seen, she don't open her eyes, is crying for over half of it, hollars out my name 4 times, and the 5th time she screams out "jeezus christ russ" he says his name barely audible and say's "sorry" as she is still crying from the brutality of this scene. Needless to say we are both tore up over this, I don't blame her, and am doing everything possible to catch this perp. And would just like an answer if it is possible for her to be put under without her consent #1 and #2 if I should be worried that this could happen again because she got an STD from this and #3 if this could be brought out in another session without placing her in harm's way and him brought to justice, any and all help will be greatful,Thanks everyone for a replie Russ

Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2007 :  05:52:12 AM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage
That looks and sounds more like she was drugged i.e. someone might have spiked her drink. And had very little to do with hypnosis.

Its a real tough call to make based on very limited input, and unfortunately, there is no way we can really give you an answer other than speculation.

For me from the input you have written, this really does seem like rohypnol.

And in that case would be classed as rape.

Hypnosis does not allow you to lose control of your faculties to the point where you would allow harm to happen.

Jay

If it has consciousness it's already in a trance.
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fozzybear40

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2007 :  12:53:46 PM  Show Profile  Send fozzybear40 a Yahoo! Message
Does rohypnol still give you control of your body? I was under the idea that your like a zombie if that was slipped to you. She had total control of what she was doing, just like she was in la la land with me by calling out my name instead of the guy she was with. she wasn't truely hurt but it was a painful sex session with a lot of slapping and slight pain from penetration. I know the fella was getting peeved at the fact that she was calling him me, but when he said his name that was barely audible that she also said "sorry" and that was the end of the clip. thanks for the replie, I know most of you out there are on the up and up but it just takes one bad apple to give everyone a bad reputation. Once again thanks
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HypnoDoc

USA
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Posted - 02/28/2007 :  9:15:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage
"...this is becoming a common problem even oxford has published a newsletter on this subject."

What is becoming a common problem?

What "official" publication is this that you site but don't provide a link or quote?

What are the odds that your friend would come across a porn spy site with your future wife's movie on it?

This whole thing sounds a bit too strange - almost made up. Don't be surprised if the moderators don't remove this entire thread.

Hypnosis certainly doesn't need these types of bogus accusations posted online with unsubstantiated "official" publications to try to make it sound legitimate.

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HypnoDoc

USA
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Posted - 03/01/2007 :  2:20:26 PM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage
I received an email from this person with a link to the publication that is sited in his first post.

I apologize for taking such a strong stance on this but there are several people who stand to gain monetarily if they can get posts saying that stealth Hypnosis can be used to "control women." They run web sites promoting products that claim to be able to do this.

The article is actually a student's paper asking the question but never really answering it. The sub-title of the document is:

An article considering whether "non-competence to consent to sex while under hypnosis parallel drug-induced non-consensual sex".

You can read it here

The student obviously has come across one or more of these web sites claiming to be able to teach this.

It assumes for the sake of asking the question that "non-competence to consent to sex while under hypnosis" IS taking place and asks if that might be considered rape within the parameters of the law in the UK "IF it ever happened."

These types of articles are always sited by people looking to make some money by convincing people that they can control other people using stealth hypnosis techniques. This needless to say is considered unethical and, in my own opinion, "not worth serious discussion."

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lostinanovel

USA
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Posted - 06/21/2007 :  5:11:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit lostinanovel's Homepage  Send lostinanovel a Yahoo! Message
Thanks for the followup hypnodoc! Reassuring to someone who is an easy subject and a bit naive....
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hermia

9 Posts

Posted - 06/20/2009 :  11:24:34 AM  Show Profile
I don't know do much about hypnosis either, but now i have to learn because the police is raping me in my sleep during hypnosis to justify their surveillance. i think they do it all the time, as there is no way to get a loyer, and i also complained to the european court of human rights to get help.
There is also a drug that causes total amnesia as i red. I don't know what i do under the rapes, but i know that i woke up during one hypnosis session but the hypnotizer told me to sleep 3 times and i fell asleep.
The information that they gather is used to manipulate me and find out what i plan to do, so they can interrupt any plan i make either to escape or to find a solution. They would also sabotage any plans i make or use suggestion to make me forget my plans. But i do not remember anything in particular.
Does anyone know what you can do to remember what is happening during hypnosis that causes total amnesia?
I guess these techniques can be used for real criminals. I am not one, they just cover up their own crimes. They don't either give a damn, in fact, they laugh or smile.
I wake up frightened sometimes, and sometimes relaxed. But i am in pain after the rapes. They are brutal, and i think they give me some kind of pain killer. The pain comes the next day or after two three days.
Please answer if you know something.

I have been drugged as well, by the police. When u are drugged , or the type of drug they gave me, you simply forget what is happening from one moment to the other or you just collaborate and everything seems pretty - not so much to do about.
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patrickg

USA
724 Posts

Posted - 06/20/2009 :  11:50:51 AM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage
Hypnosis isn't going to be the problem, or the solution, here.


Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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hermia

9 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2009 :  08:41:59 AM  Show Profile
What do you mean? You think I am making this up? You have no idea what's going on now in Europe. Police is putting innocent people in jail, criminals go free, they construct evidence, and they get rid of people that the government does not like or that does not approve of authority.
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patrickg

USA
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Posted - 06/21/2009 :  10:56:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage
I don't know if your story is true or not. That isn't what I meant. If this is happening, it is probably drug induced unconsciousness. Not "hypnosis".

And because of that, hypnosis isn't going to help the memory or be any help to the situation.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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hermia

9 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2009 :  1:09:24 PM  Show Profile
Yes that is what I thought, that they must use some drug, but they also use deep hypnosis that I can't recall and they also use suggestions. There is a new way of controlling people outside the law, and they use it - medication, hypnosis, false evidence, bulleting, or people that are not criminal, but because they had argued with authorities, even if the right is on the persons side, like in my case etc.
I know they use hypnosis and suggestions because i suggested myself to wake up when I talk in my sleep. I used to meditate before all this happened and I also learned a lot about self suggestions. I woke up a few times, while speaking in dreams. But i also managed to wake up during hypnosis in sleep. But only once, so either my suggestions does not help anymore or they now use drugs. They make you remember even better what you thought of during day that you are aware of.
Thanks for your comments.
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patrickg

USA
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Posted - 06/21/2009 :  1:55:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage
If someone is using 'narcohypnosis' it is barely hypnosis. I've talked with people who have voluntarily used drug induced 'hypnosis' for help with methamphetamine addiction.

Depending on the medication and the amount of medication there may, or may not, be any memories of the event to recall. Straight (non-medicated)hypnosis will have VERY limited affect working AGAINST a drug induced hypnosis.

If this is the situation, it is very sad, but I don't think you will find the help you need from here.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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hermia

9 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2009 :  2:03:31 PM  Show Profile
I am in Spain right now and not in the US.
I just hoped to get to know more about what is happening as i don't seem to get any help from authorities or from other sources.

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patrickg

USA
724 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2009 :  2:35:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage
I don't know who could help. Hopefully someone who knows more will read what you've written and reply.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com
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bolatium

USA
1 Posts

Posted - 06/29/2009 :  1:18:44 PM  Show Profile  Send bolatium a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by hermia

I am in Spain right now and not in the US.
I just hoped to get to know more about what is happening as i don't seem to get any help from authorities or from other sources.





Please do not delete this post as it is more important to get someone help in an emergency than to follow rules.
I will not just assume a crime is not being committed because a story sounds like it may not be true. It is our responsibility wherever we are to attempt help individuals in a threatening situation, regardless of the ones who "cry wolf" for attention. Our first priority is to try to get help, not argue over whether or not it is an emergency if you don't know for sure if it isn't. If someone says they have been raped, get them help in the best way you can. THEN discuss it's validity and delete the thread. Hopefully, I'm not too late to help.

hermia: Please save this information as it may be removed

Possibly if you are under treatment in a hospital the police may not be able to watch you constantly.
Try to take asylum in a neighboring country.

Maybe these people can help.

Anglo Spanish Investigators
http://www.asdetectives.com/
email:web1@asdetectives.com
Telephone: +44 (0)7895 435 994
Address:
Unit 2B
18-20 Hillgate Place
Balham Hill
London
SW12 9ER

http://www.interpol.int/public/contact.asp
INTERPOL
General Secretariat
200, quai Charles de Gaulle
69006 Lyon
France
Fax: +33 (0)4 72 44 71 63

http://www.CIA.gov
click "Contact CIA"
Google"Contact CIA" as their contact form has no "Captcha" Box.
Pleas enter ALL information that you can, including names of other victims, police officers, addresses of office, descriptions, and everything else you can recall. The CIA reads EVERY EMAIL THEY RECEIVE.
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
445 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2009 :  11:29:57 AM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage
please do not continue this thread!

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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hermia

9 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2009 :  11:39:18 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by mark-gil

please do not continue this thread!




Why? What is bothering you?
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patrickg

USA
724 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2009 :  11:56:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit patrickg's Homepage
Because someone is either making stuff up or needs serious help. Either way this thread is not appropriate on a hypnosis board.

Your previous post is deleted. You can use the information provided earlier in the thread.

Patrick Glancy, CI, BCH
www.salemhypnosissolutions.com

Edited by - patrickg on 07/24/2009 11:57:53 AM
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