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nispelsm

USA
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Posted - 09/28/2009 :  11:20:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was wondering if anyone knew of a script or technique that can be used to improve a person's suggestibility further while in hypnosis? Specifically, to improve a person's response to anchors and other direct suggestions?

Working with my hypnotherapist, I've found that I respond well to guided imagery and metaphors. Get my mind engrossed in a visualized scene, and I respond positively. However, the moment any sort of "command" is issued (i.e. "Anytime you hear me say the word 'X', you will..."), my mind pulls itself partway out of the scene and pays a little too much attention to the instruction.

It doesn't feel like a rejection. It feels more like part of me is afraid that I will fail to act on the instructions, unless I am consciously aware of what the instructions were. It may be a control issue I still need to resolve.

Any ideas are welcome. I'd ask my therapist, but my sessions with her are already devoted to another, more pressing issue.

hypjunkie18

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  11:39:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fear is supposed to be eliminated during the pretalk. I would talk to your therapist about this. They would be able to advise you better.

And just because your conscious mind thinks it rejects something, from my understanding, it doesn't mean your subconscious has. I've been age regressed when I thought I wasn't following suggestions so maybe a similiar thing is happening to you.

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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  11:43:41 AM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
improve someones suggestibility - mmmmmmmm I will come back to that later- yet I want you to tell me what you think an anchor is first based on what you know so far- I would also invite you to check out my blog- which is new- so only has a few articles so far- yet will give you a more updated approach in the "to how" to "play" with hypnosis the link is www.beyondtrances.com/bblog so

Jay

If it has consciousness it's already in a trance.
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  12:43:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The extact wording of the anchor she uses is "Whenver you hear me say the words <trigger words here>, you will instantly return to this level of relaxation, and go a little deeper each time." She repeats it three times.

She has attempted several times to establish an anchor for my trance state. It works the first time only, and only partly. Instead of immediately returning to the previous depth, it instead merely starts me relaxing to a light trance. After a few seconds, I then have to use regular relaxation techniques to go deeper. Despite attempts to reinforce the anchor once I'm back under, the anchor remains weak, and it feels to me like my mind is asking permission to respond.

From what I understand, if my mind is "asking permission", then my critical factor was not properly bypassed when the anchor was set.

The thing I do know is that any suggestion given within the context of the visualization goes right through. If I am visualizing a glowing cube, and she says, "as you touch the cube, you feel a surge of positive, euphoric energy flowing from the cube through your arms, and into your body," I immediately *feel* a surge of wonderful energy course through me.

However, a direct suggestion outside the context of the moment (such as a re-induction anchor) seem to get filtered.

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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  1:26:42 PM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ok I did not ask for that- type of information- yet I will go with that - I am going to ask you a series of questions and all you have to do is pay attention to how you respond- and you don't need to reply to the personal based questions- as there just for an illustration- Whats you zip/post code? how do you know? whats you mum and dads name? how do you know? how many widows to your home have? how do you know? which door in your house slams the loudest? how do you know? what does it sound and feel like if you was to imagine the sound of someone scratching their nails down a black board? What the first few line of your favorite song? how do you know?

If you was going to make a cup of coffee/tea, explain in detail how you would do it- (do that on some paper with a pen) what would you see, hear and feel from where you are sitting now to going into the kitchen- and ask yourself how do I know what the next step will be?

J

If it has consciousness it's already in a trance.
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  2:17:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oops, sorry. Guess I misunderstood what you were going for.

My idea of what an anchor is supposed to be is something that sets an automatic response to a specific trigger, without any conscious thought needed to initiate or complete the action.

As for your other questions;
- Most of those are things I had to commit and reinforce consciously to memory through repetition.
- The windows, I have to mentally picture each room and count the windows.
- The chalkboard and door sounds are things I recall from previous experience.

I *think* I understand part of what you are driving at, about repetition and all that.

I've thought about it, really thought hard and tried to remember *exactly* how I responded to the trigger the first time. And what I remember:
- The very first time, my eyes snapped shut
- My mind clouded for a few seconds.
- My body suddenly felt really tired and started sinking into the chair.
- I felt a moment of panic, that something was wrong
- The clouding clears a bit, then my mind starts sinking at it's previous established pace

The panic is the key, as far as I can tell. Thing is, I thought I had already dealt with the fear of losing control.

Edited by - nispelsm on 09/28/2009 2:42:38 PM
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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  2:30:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So lets just for a few minutes consider- that you had got the response you was aiming and hoping for, What would be happening for you? how relaxed would you be? What would you be able to do that would was not able to do before? and what would it be like if it just worked with out you knowing why it did and has? if you had the right guided imagery guiding you what would it be? and just allow them thoughts to come to mind and go with that, thats right, what ever come to mind is just right, and while you allow yourself to find times and places of comfort and relaxation, you can know with out knowing just so many ideas can guide you, and you can go inside as far and as deep as is right for you, to just take the next step, down in side and notice that it begins to happen all by it self as you let go with all the way-

J

If it has consciousness it's already in a trance.
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  3:03:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Matrixman

So lets just for a few minutes consider- that you had got the response you was aiming and hoping for, What would be happening for you? how relaxed would you be? What would you be able to do that would was not able to do before? and what would it be like if it just worked with out you knowing why it did and has? if you had the right guided imagery guiding you what would it be? and just allow them thoughts to come to mind and go with that, thats right, what ever come to mind is just right, and while you allow yourself to find times and places of comfort and relaxation, you can know with out knowing just so many ideas can guide you, and you can go inside as far and as deep as is right for you, to just take the next step, down in side and notice that it begins to happen all by it self as you let go with all the way-

J



I'm sorry, I know you are trying to help.

I can self-induce easily. No words or finger pinching or anything like that. I just close my eyes and picture myself relaxing. However, it takes 15 minutes or more to reach deep relaxation when listening to an audio, or 5-10 minutes if simply meditate without any voice I need to pay attention to.

The issue I am trying to address is some part of my mind is resisting direct suggestions. Some are resisted while in trance, and others get rejected when they activate for the first time.

Edited by - nispelsm on 09/28/2009 3:07:16 PM
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  3:17:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now that I think about it, how about something simpler?

A way to get my subconscious mind to actually visualize what the hypnotist tells me to visualize, without me having to consciously control the image so it doesn't throw random stuff in there. Part of me thinks the reason my subconscious isn't responding so well is that it's too used to taking direction from my conscious mind.

I could be wrong about that. But, the last time I tried just letting my subconscious pick the imagery, the voice on the audio instructed me to picture a beach in summertime. Instead, I got worm gears...lots and lots of worm gears.
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hypjunkie18

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  3:51:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are my feelings about visualizations: when your subconscious throws random images in, it's probably a sign. I remember I used to have this wealth visualization I would listen to everyday. There was one part where I was supposed to be effortlessly climbing a mountain. Except every time I went to move my hand to a new spot to pull myself up, there would be a scorpion waiting to sting me. I would also randomly imagine myself falling off the face of the mountain.

For a long time I ignored this until I spoke to a hypnotherapist. It's obvious now that those things meant death to me and I didn't even realize that my subconscious was trying to tell me I had a block to wealth. Since learning about what my subconscious was trying to say, I've been successfully healing my "wealth wounds" and I can follow the visualization much better.

Your conscious mind is always going to be there during hypnosis. If it wasn't, you would be doing what is known as sleep. And you don't want to be there. There is something really powerful you can do though. Before each session, imagine how you want the session to go in detail. Imagine yourself accepting the direct suggestions and see/feel/hear how that is going to positively benefit your life.

Build some positive mental expectancy and see what it can do for you. I bet you would be surprised. I started doing this and I’ve had wonderful results. Not only in my sessions, but I’ve had success in writing better scripts for myself as well with the same method (I do my own sessions on the side to re-enforce the work I do with my hypnotherapist).

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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  4:21:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Maybe you might consider dropping the split - there not really a conscious and sub-conscious its just one mind- work from the idea that theres only one mind- and your find doing hypnosis a lot easer- if I ask you to remember real good thing from your past, its there, theres really only foreground and background thoughts- or active and passive thoughts- now think like this- your brain needs unambiguous signals- (Yes) (No) (Up) (Down) (Stop) (Start)
the deeper in to state you go- the more specific and clear your suggestion need to be- now- think- about if you was on the phone- explaining to a friend- how to get from his/her house to yours, you would have to be very specific- you would have to cover a number of street names- land marks, roads and which way to turn- etc. a hypnosis journey needs to be a little bit like that-
Now anchors are how we learn- an anchor is a sensory based chunk of informations that is made up or our experiences- now another name for an anchor is association and is a process where 2 or more things are related ever simultaneously- when this happens that happens- or when that happens this follows- the very fact that you are practicing self-hypnosis and each time your do a session, that in and of its self is an anchor- So what suggestions are you willing to accept? And by the way- if your doing indirect hypnosis on yourself- you already know what the suggestions are- so there not indirect- So if your seem to be having issue with direct how about reword them so they feel and work better for you-

J

If it has consciousness it's already in a trance.
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2009 :  4:47:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you, all. These are the kinds of things I need.

As far as my conscious mind, I am not trying to push it away while visualizing. I am trying to lessen the burden, so I can relax quicker. The effort to maintain the imagery seems to slow down my relaxation. But, if I don't expend the effort to keep out random images, the therapy won't be as effective.

I do meditation on the side when not listening to a tape, where my mind is free to visualize whatever it wants. Gears, screws, and other machine parts figure prominently in those images. Lots of scenes dating from the early 20th-century period, too. I have talked to my therapist about them. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean, and she was unable to offer any insights on it.

I will try the mental prep before my audio sessions. I still get the feeling there is something else at play here, that even my therapy sessions have yet to uncover. How can one have the conscious (and subsoncious) desire to experience these aspects of hypnosis, only to meet with such hash resistance when things actually start happening?

Edit: My previous attempts to write a script for this have been lackluster at best, so I was hoping someone could recommend a good one. I have an analytical mind, which tends to interfere with direct suggestions. My best efforts to suppress that natural tendency have been largely unsuccessful, except with guided imagery.

Edited by - nispelsm on 09/29/2009 10:01:52 AM
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  11:13:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Please forgive me, but there is one more thing I need to explain, if it will help.

To put it plainly, I am battling depression. I did not realize it until I started working more with my therapist. 2 months ago, when I first started using hypnosis audios, I thought it was just simple stress, and some basic confidence issues.

Since I've started therapy, I am battling negative thoughts more and more. Between those long-buried negative though patterns, and the struggles (real or perceived) I've been having with the hypnosis process, my determination, and my belief in the process, are wearing down.

I feel like I really need something I can put in the "win" column. Something that cannot be dismissed away with a "yeah, but..." Being able to get the re-induction trigger, or *any* post-hypnotic trigger, to work as described would be a big boost for me.
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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  11:31:48 AM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So what you mean is they are times when you think about things that depress you? Have you considered not doing that? What things do you do when your not thinking about depressing thinks?

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hypjunkie18

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  11:38:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well maybe your subconscious is trying to communicate with you through the visualizations. I have had a little experience with using dreams to help uncover deeper issues and it was through that experience that I learned how the subconscious communicates with the conscious.

You have to have a context for which the information is coming through though. Like for my dream, the context was I asked my subconscious to deliver the true cause of why I was at the sticking point I was at. In context, the dream made perfect sense when I worked with my own interpretations of what different images and situations meant.

Your subconscious has a unique way of communicating with you and learning to solve that puzzle can bring you great success and joy. It can help you solve problems you would never be able to figure out rationally.

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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  1:24:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As cliche as it may sound, I've buried a lot of bad memories and unresolved issues from childhood. 15+ years worth of constant fear, ridicule, and feeling helpless. I have always been aware of those memories, but it was easier to ignore them and keep them buried.

Up until 2 months ago, I had completely cut myself off from everthing and everyone. All I had was my job and an unhealthy addition to an online RPG, my means of escape from myself.

Since starting therapy, I've quit the game entirely, and am working on reconnecting with my family and what few friends I still have.

The bad news is, now that I have started to do serious work on the underlying problems, all those long-buried negative thoughts and emotions are now coming to the surface faster than I can deal with them. It's taking a lot more effort to keep them out of my conscious thoughts.

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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  1:51:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi

From a personal perspective- I myself had a lot a issues when I was a kid to deal with, your past is the past keep it there, its over- you can't change the past- in a real sense meaning you can't physically go back in time and do anything about it- what you can do- is stop thinking about the bull****- take responsibility for where you are right now- and make your present and future count- therapy will slow you up, by having you relive the crap over and over again it will reinforce the bad memories because your activating them memories over and over- so this is something to do allow them to come, don't fight them just let them flow- and each time something pops in to mind- a mental image- or sound or feeling, in a strong powerful voice (in side your head) and repeat over and over STOP STOP STOP.................................. and keep that up until you it STOPS- now your have to do that for some hours maybe days or weeks, yet if you do it- every time a fleeting negative thought comes up- it will work- and after a while your just have neural or good thoughts- you already know what happened in the past- you lived it- its time to get your feet in the here and now- and to get on with living-

J

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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  2:25:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
...

Are you actualy telling me to re-bury it? It's the whole reason I'm in this mess to begin with. I can't get rid of the negative emotions simply by telling myself to stop thinking about them. I've been doing that for years, and look where it's gotten me.

You want to know what is bull****?

Allowing your mother's then-boyfriend to use your head to punch holes in the wall, because your very presence makes his drunken ass madder. Clearly, I need to man-up and take responsibility for being a frightened 5-year-old!

Why don't you tell me to man-up and take responsibility for when he beat my mom to a bloddly pulp, putting her in the hospital? Clearly, I need to just suck it up and take it like a real man.

Or the time I followed a guidance counselor's advice, and ignoring the taunts of the school bully? Clearly, it was my fault that he got mad at being "dissed", and decided to bury my face in the pavement.

How many other things would you like me to recall for you?

Would you like to tell me to take responsibility for them, too?

It's what I've been doing for the last freaking 35 years. Taking the blame. It's ingrained into my very being. It's all I ever heard growing up, that I "musta done something" to deserve what I got.

Clearly, you are are full of as much bull**** as the rest of them.
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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  3:08:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Was that an emotional outburst? now you have that out of the way! what else would you like to get of your chest? you can change the easy way or the hard way yet you have to make the choice about how you do it.

J


If it has consciousness it's already in a trance.

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nispelsm

USA
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Posted - 09/29/2009 :  3:25:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You realy don't get it.

I've spent YEARS trying to use logic and reason to rationalize this stuff away. I've even had to deal with the emotional outbursts when it becomes too much. No matter how many times I've tried to put them behind me, those feelings have always returned within a few months or years.

An emotional outburst is not the same as an emotional release. An outburst is merely a symptom. I need release, and the only way to do that is to deal with them at their source. Logic and reason have failed to work, so what's left? It's therapy, or spend the rest of my life doped up on antidepressants.

Edit:
This much I know for sure, the very traits that enabled me to survive 15 years of mental and physical abuse have since become the things that are trapping me. I cannot change those things until the reasons for their existance are dealt with.

Edited by - nispelsm on 09/29/2009 3:35:14 PM
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Matrixman

United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/29/2009 :  3:42:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well emotions are not based in or on logic or reason- so trying to change them at that level wont work- in fact logic tends to create a blame base- and reason tend to develop a confirmation of the blame- so they lock each other in place- which is not that good for change- there are a few things that can help with releasing emotions- EFT www.emofree.com emotional freedom technique and you can get the free manual from the site- and that will give you a solid base in the basics- or www.tapping.com there are a number of free video's that you might find useful- and then there is the sedona method www.sedona.com/" target="_blank">http://www.sedona.com/ which is a very simple emotional release process that you can check out-

theres a number of options there for you to check out-

J

If it has consciousness it's already in a trance.
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nispelsm

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  4:31:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Matrixman

Was that an emotional outburst? now you have that out of the way! what else would you like to get of your chest? you can change the easy way or the hard way yet you have to make the choice about how you do it.

J



Please tell me your method isn't to provoke your clients to fly off into a rage. And all you've done is make me angry at you. I feel worse off now than when I started this thread.

I'm trying to improve my response to hypnosis, not become *more* defiant.

Edited by - nispelsm on 09/29/2009 4:35:37 PM
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Matrixman

United Kingdom
399 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  5:26:50 PM  Show Profile  Visit Matrixman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Absolutely if that is what is needed- yet then this is not about me- or how I do things- I don't do things with out there being a specific bigger reason- now you filled in a huge amount of stuff aka crap based on a simple question- I asked was that an emotional outburst- which is a yes or no answer- now based on your reply- its telling me that your reading- and then projecting on on to it- STOP that- read what I say and only what is on the page- don't add anything to it- don't take anything away from it and -

Hypnosis is not the issue at hand- what is the issue is the thinking thats getting in the ways of the issue- now like I said before- hypnosis is very simple- and its follows a very simple set of rules- if the suggestions you are listening to are not working for you change them to ones that will- and if you don't know what they are guess, and keep guessing until you find the ones that seem to fit-

Now what you have to also remember is that this is a forum and we only have text- to work with- so we are missing a huge amount of stuff- like body language- tonal inflections- a smile so chillax a bit- ok- so lets look at some of the words your using-

try(ing) I am sure you have a keyboard in front of you try and pick it up. Now you either picked it up or you didn't - theres no try- you either do something or don't - and just be clean cut about it-

Now why the hell would you fly into a rage- based on a forum post- do you have no emotional control? Stop that! now if you was to re-read my post- with out projecting on to it- you might find that despite it being very simple maybe to simple- lets say you was out in the street and you saw a kid running into the road- I am guessing that you would shout stop! and guess what the kids do just that- now if you could stop a kid with the simple word stop- or even an adult if it was an adult- then as its a whole person connected to a brain- then you can bet your life that if you tell your thoughts to stop- that they would and will- now if you want to have another emotional outburst its ok with me- in fact I think you should practice doing that on the forum- What do you THINK first before you Stop and answer- now once again just stop- and what would be a better way of saying what you want to say? What tone of voice are your reading this in? Now what other voice tones could you reread these post that would allow you to see- and connect the dots-

So lets consider your hypnosis practice- again- could you just for 12 sessions- just do the sessions- with out going for anything else other than just relaxation and just for the sake of relaxation? just relax and deeper- no change work attempts- the idea is that repetition is the bases of getting good at any skill- so if you was just to practice with out any agenda other than you to relax- you would just by doing that increase your depth of trance by at least 20% and maybe up to 60% or more-


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nispelsm

USA
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Posted - 09/29/2009 :  8:03:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am sorry.

When I saw the words "take responsibility", the first thing I thought was "That's all I've been doing all these years, is taking responsibility for all the stuff that has happened to me, whether it's really my fault or not."

Then, when I read your suggestion to tell my mind to STOP when a negative though comes up, all I could think about was how doing that in the past has only served to re-bury the thought/emotion, only to have it come up later, stronger than before.

And, it brought up the memory of that guidance counselor's advice, that led to a violent outburst from a bully who had previously only ever resorted to name-calling. Worst advice I ever took from an adult. What made it worse is when I talked to him about it after, he was convinced I must have done something to provoke the bully. Yeah, I *ignored* the bully, just like he had told me to.

I know I overreacted to your words. I just felt like I was being blamed all over again for the things that happened to me.

I even bristled at the implication that the therapy my hypnotherapist recommended was wrong. Understand that she was the first person in years I trusted enough to open up to, and I found myself trusting her enough to actually go into a medium trance on the very first session, on the first day I met her. That is something I'd never done before. As far as I am concerned, anyone who can do that *has* to know what she's doing.

So, I am sorry for overreacting. I realize I still have a lot to deal with.

As for practicing to enhance trance depth, well, I am already doing that every day with the meditation, so that's not a problem. The meditation is all about relaxing without an agenda. Unless you feel it's better to actually use a CD, and just let my mind drift with the voice in the background?
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hypjunkie18

USA
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Posted - 10/01/2009 :  08:36:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think that you might need to go express these feelings to your hypnotherapist. I don't know if anger is something you've repressed, but I used to repress anger and it caused depression in me. I also used to repress other emotions and it eventually led to me feeling numb. It's half the reason I went out to seek help from a hypnotherapist.

The other half being I had disconnected from all my friends and family but I love being around people. I had developed social anxiety and that was making me even more depressed.

I think your suggestibility will improve the more you work with your hypnotherapist. It could be that you still have some fear about hypnosis. I think that you might want to take things slowly for a while.

I mean, think of how long you've been living the way you're living. It will take a little while to start to condition you to live a new way. Also, you might be accepting the suggestions anyway but maybe you think you're not. Thoughts are powerful things. Observe the progress you make and by all means, discuss this with your hypnotherapist.

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nispelsm

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Posted - 10/01/2009 :  2:49:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had my most recent session with my therapist yesterday, and we had a really long discussion about the traumatic memories that were coming to the surface. During the pre-talk, I related to her as best I could consciously recall about the incidents, from the age of 5 all the way up through graduation.

Even just giving her the cliffnotes version churned up a lot of emotions, but she managed to keep me calm throughout. The insights she related to me during the pre-talk are still in the process of sinking in.

We then had the formal hypnosis session, with a different technique to help me work through the rest without the risk of re-experiencing the trauma of those memories. I am to use the recording of that session going forward, at least until the next follow-up session.

Though I am a bit reluctant to admit this, without even mentioning it to her, she seems to support Matrixman's opinion that Timeline therapy was not the best choice for me. However, it did help me deal with the lesser stuff that I'd been dragging around, and forced me to acknowledge that I had more serious things to deal with.

You know the thing I find ironic, thinking about it now? We had a 2-hour discussion before there was even mention of sitting over in the "magic chair" to begin the next hypnosis session. Yet, I realize after the fact, she had me "under" within minutes of walking in the door...

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I still have a strong desire to improve my responsiveness to direct "you will do" suggestions, the way I respond to the guided imagery. I realize it is not needed for my therapy to be effective. But, I do have a strong desire to experience some of the more novel aspects of hypnosis.
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hypjunkie18

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Posted - 10/02/2009 :  07:49:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would suggest that you practice self hypnosis twice a day and that you deliver suggestions to yourself while in self hypnosis. Deliver some affirmations that you know beyond a doubt are solid and can help you. Maybe ask your hypnotherapist for some.

I think the real issue here is getting your conscious mind on board. If your subconscious allows you to go into trance, I'm pretty sure it's accepting suggestions just fine. However, consciously you feel like it's not which could do be slowing your progress or it could eventually give the suggestion to your subconscious to stop accepting suggestions and then you're really in trouble.

The more you believe that hypnosis isn't working, the more it's going to become your reality. If you've studied the brain at all, you know the conscious mind is the thinker and the subconscious acts as the prover. Whatever your conscious mind tells your subconscious, it accepts without question. Tell yourself long enough that hypnosis doesn't work and you're going to be in a world of hurt.

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nispelsm

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Posted - 10/02/2009 :  2:46:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for that. That actually helps me make a little more sense.

I have also had a new insight this week. While getting ready for work on Wednesday morning, I was thinking about why it was taking me so long to relax while practicing hypnosis, even after 2 months of constant practice.

Out of the blue, I had the thought, "Relax the mind, and the body will follow."

Up until now, everything I had learned about hypnosis suggested you had to concentrate on relaxing the body, in order to get the mind to relax. This idea ran counter to all that, but I figured I *had* to at least try it.

During my lunch break, I set aside 10 minutes to try it. I closed my eyes, and concentrated on silently repeating the phrase over and over. At some point, I "forgot" to repeat the phrase, and I came out of it 10 minutes later with only a fuzzy recollection.

I used it again later, during the session with my therapist. When I asked her about afterward, she said that in less than 10 minutes, I was full-on, eyelid-fluttering, eyes-rolled-all-the-way-up, gone. A first for me.

To say it's encouraging is an understatement.
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hypjunkie18

USA
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Posted - 10/05/2009 :  08:22:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well that's good. I think it's possible that your hypnotherapist might not have the skill set needed to help you. The only reason I say that is because I've been to 3 hypnotherapists and none of them have put me in as deep of a state of hypnosis as I put myself in recently. I also taught myself to go into a very deep hypnotic state in self hypnosis and it works beautifully. And I did this after only about a month of experimenting with making my own recordings (of course I have extensively studied hypnosis for about 2 years).

I don't have to try anything now. I use the trigger I made for myself and I slip right down into hypnosis. I spend 5-10 seconds getting into hypnosis and then 5-20 minutes enjoying the state or giving myself suggestions. The right tools make all the difference.

And I've been surprised by the number of hypnotherapists I've seen who are using outdated tools. It would be like trying to use a computer from the '80's in today’s world. The computer flat out is not good enough to keep up.

Trying to get into a deep state of hypnosis through using your conscious mind and through giving yourself suggestions would take forever. The quicker way is to get a good hypnotherapist to take you there and then having them install a nice, quick trigger for you to use so you can get back immediately. It’s so much more efficient. Then you can still listen to audio’s to go even deeper or to give yourself suggestions.

And when you get over worrying about the induction, the session really becomes enjoyable then. Then you get to have fun with hypnosis and enjoy it’s benefits. I spent over an hour of my day yesterday in hypnosis just enjoying the deep relaxation.

As far as relaxing the mind then body or body then mind goes; it doesn’t make a difference which way you go. Meditation uses relaxing the mind to relax the body and hypnosis generally uses relaxing the body to relax the mind. There is a mind-body connection which is why either method works. I personally am interested in the fastest method of getting into hypnosis so I can use my time wisely.

If you have a real desire to go into hypnosis, you can get there very easily. One thing I still do before each session is I use my imagination to get excited about going into hypnosis. I imagine what it’s going to be like and how it’s going to help me. I imagine the relaxation and the change that will happen because of my ability to go into hypnosis. Then I begin my session and my brain then wants to go into hypnosis.

It allows me to use all of my resources to get there instead of “trying” to get there. Trying presupposes failure. Do it.

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nispelsm

USA
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Posted - 10/05/2009 :  12:36:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I may have to do that; devote a session with my therapist soely with the purpose of taking me down as far as I can go (and make sure I'm there), and then install a new trigger.

As for other progress I have been making, I've felt a marked improvement to how quickly I mentally relax. I no longer need to use the "Relax the mind" thing as a mantra. I just repeat it once or twice as a reminder before going under, then just relax and let my conscious thoughts wander, as a gentle tugging sensation pulls me down. I quickly reach a point where I am no longer worried about how relaxed my body is, or any other external stuff. I am able to go inside and get lost in my own thoughts.

I've also started to ease up conscious control over the images I am supposed to be visualizing. It occured to me that a good way to improve my responsiveness is to actually allow my subconscious to work without constant direction from my conscious thoughts. I realized I was spending more time constructing and maintaining the scenes than interacting with them. So now, I still concentrate to bring up the visualization in my mind, but then I sit back and let the imagery play out on it's own.

I relax much quicker as a result, even though I am not seeing the images as clearly or vividly as before. I end up seeing only the part of the visualization that is immediately relavent to what is being spoken at the time. If what I've been told is true, this is all that is really needed for change to happen.

It may take me longer to get anywhere near where you are. I am still in the process of undoing years of negative thinking, while at the same time overcoming my (real or imagined) struggles with hypnosis.

But here is the thing. I have no intention of giving up. And I am improving, little by little. In the last week espcially, there seems to be a cumulative effect going on, where more things seem to be falling into place.

Oh, almost forgot. My idea of being "at depth" may be incorrect, compared to how others have described it to me. To me, I am "at depth" once the sinking/tugging sensation in the back of my mind eases. There is a feeling like I am "settled in" and can remain there as long as I want. At this time, I reach that point about 5-10 minutes into the session, based on what I hear in the audio when I get that "settled in" feeling.
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nispelsm

USA
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Posted - 10/05/2009 :  8:40:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Matrixman
I would also invite you to check out my blog- which is new- so only has a few articles so far- yet will give you a more updated approach in the "to how" to "play" with hypnosis the link is www.beyondtrances.com/bblog

Jay



After my earlier post today, I went back and re-read this thread, and went to your blog again. This time, I stumbled upon the blog post "Hypnosis Basics". I saw it, and figured it was probably a good idea for me to go back to basics; start fresh, in a sense.

I did the first set of exercises just like you had it. Then, I went off and took care of some daily chores before moving on to the progressive relaxation of phase 1. I read the relaxation part, got myself ready, and used your anchor technique.

Well, I forgot to close my eyes first, but it didn't matter. My eyes pulled closed immediately, and I felt myself physically and mentally sinking right off the bat, a bit more intense than my previous trances. Two times during, I realized that I had "settled" (no sensation of sinking), and used the trigger to set it for whatever depth I was at currently at. Each time, I immediately felt myself sinking again.

Now, forgive me, but I had to test it before posting here. After a half-hour break, I came back and used it again. The results:

- Induced with eyes still open, had immediate eye-closure response and tiring feeling in the body.
- While I did not instantly hit my previous depth, I *did* feel myself relaxing much quicker than before. I hit a nice comfortable state pretty quick, where I felt my back and neck muscles let go, maybe 1 minute in.
- I did not use any other methods of going deeper, I just let thoughts drift in and out as they came.

Is this what you would expect the first few times using that anchor?
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