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Posted - 02/11/2006 :  09:52:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello, I'm a university grad with a double major in Psychology and Sociology, and during the course of my degree I spent a great deal of time concerned with the theory of hypnosis, but have never successfully practiced anything other then inducing a light trance state in others.

Now, a few years later, I'd like to start some self-improvement, through the technique of self- or auto-hypnosis, in a variety of different areas of my life. I have a few questions...

First, I know people seem to suggest seeing a real, qualified hypnotherapist, but I have reservations - and economic limitations - about that. I'm considering making my own scripts - taping a hypnotic session ahead of time and listening to it afterwards - but that seems time consuming, and perhaps destined for failure. Instead, I was wondering what people thought about downloading hypnotic mp3s over the internet.

Secondly, I recall a study mentioned casually by someone regarding hypnosis being used to increase a woman's breast size. Certainly a provacative subject, but if such a study actually exists then it has far-reaching implications beyond amused giggles. Can anyone point me towards a text of this study, or debunk it as an urban legend? What do people think about gross physical alterations through hypnosis?

Thanks in advance to all responders - I realize I'm essentially a 'hobbyist', but if self-hypnosis can make real change in my life, then feel I owe it to myself to explore this avenue of thought.

mark-gil

United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/11/2006 :  12:29:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Self- Hypnosis is only a tool, just as meditation or other mind disciplines. It is the readiness for change, the commitment to the discipline, appropriate use of language in scripts and training and coaching by a professional to achieve meaningful and lasting results.. I have trained more than 22,000 persons in self-hypnosis classes and have seen many remarkable changes occur.
Yes, there were some very small studies done on breast enlargement in the sixties, but the research groups were too small for definitive conclusions. However, there is a young woman on the internet who sells a variety of CDs including some for increasing breast size,
increasing penis size and a system that she calls the "Big O"--which claims to teach men how to create an instant orgasm simply by touching a womans arm or hand. There are pictures on her web site that supposedly depict a class giving each other orgasms. She claims to generate three million dollars net each year. This serves to illustrate how many desperate souls are feeling hopeless and are looking for an easy solution to difficult problems.
She is lionized by many in our profession for her marketing skills, while others think that a government agency should step in and challenge some of her claims. If you want to investigate further, email me for the address of the web site. Finally, it is naive to think that writing a self-suggestion script or using one developed by another will magically transport you into a special world of creativity.
A percentage of people who are highly responsive to entering trance do get a result but tens of thousands more seek out an experienced hypnotherapist who can do the job in one or two sessions.
With Respect,Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]

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Posted - 02/11/2006 :  9:31:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, I do have great hopes for using self-hypnosis to alter my negative personal traits, especially my procrastination, and while I realize that it might be more immediate and effective to simply go to a hypnotherapist, that has several downsides, including: I don't learn a new skill and I have to put my complete trust in a total stranger.

I don't think I'm very interested in this woman selling the "Big O" CDs; I'm more interested in legitimate, if amaturish, applications of hypnosis.

So, your thought is that self-hypnosis is vastly less effective then hypnosis by a trained therapist? What do you feel is the likelyhood of hypnosis being able to have effects on the gross physiology of the person, such as relieving chronic pain or the like?
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mark-gil

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Posted - 02/12/2006 :  01:55:59 AM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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during the course of my degree I spent a great deal of time concerned with the theory of hypnosis

My response--Academic efforts to define hypnosis trance or the nature of it have produced only confusion. There are at least 15 "major Theories" of hypnosis each advocated by renowned Academicians.
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I don't learn a new skill and I have to put my complete trust in a total stranger.

My response--Your make a very negative statement about your ability to learn (how did you become a university grad?) followed by your fear of trusting a professional person. This statement presumes that once hypnotized you will blindly (with complete trust) accept whatever the Hypnotherapist suggests. Trust in the therapy room must be earned by the merging of two personalities which opens the door to successful results. You seem to have difficulty in trusting,
(a problem that can be solved with hypnotherapy.)

It appears that you really are referring to structured autosuggestion
(self-suggestion)with an assumption that anyone can easily enter the trance state to amplify the effect of the suggestions. There are many misunderstandings about this subject. This is the major one.

As to pain control/elimination, there are numerous reports from many sources on this subject, including details of major surgeries with hypnosis and suggestion programming as the sole anesthetics. I have taught a course titled "Hypnosis in Healing and Pain Control" in ten countries over a thirty-five year span. (not in Universities!)
I might also refer you to my textbook, Transforming Therapy---A New Approach to Hypnotherapy"27,000 copies in print)
Go to Google and search for hypnosis articles. You will be surprised at what comes up.
With Respect, Gil Boyne
Exec. Director
American Council of Hypnotist Examiners
PS. I have been awarded three Honorary Doctorates from three respected Universities.

Edited by - mark-gil on 02/12/2006 02:22:48 AM
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HypnoDoc

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Posted - 02/12/2006 :  02:16:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit HypnoDoc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You can also find an abundance of information in the Papers and Articles section of this web site here

You can do a keyword search in this forum for many posts on these subjects as well. Use the search link at the top of the page.

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"Words are the most powerful drug used by mankind." Rudyard Kipling.
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Posted - 02/12/2006 :  08:58:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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My response--Academic efforts to define hypnosis trance or the nature of it have produced only confusion. There are at least 15 "major Theories" of hynosis each advocated by renowned Academicians.


Well, mayhaps, but that doesn't mean that understanding the phenomenon isn't vital not only for the treatment of mental illness, but also for understanding human nature - as you say, the reason hypnosis works is unknown to modern science: certainly it would reveal a great deal about ourselves if we knew why it did.

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My response--Your make a very negative statement about your ability to learn (how did you become a university grad?) followed by your fear of trusting a professional person. This statement presumes that once hypnotized you will blindly (with complete trust) accept whatever the hypnotherapist suggests. Trust in the therapy room must be earned by the merging of two personalities which opens the door to successful results. You seem to have difficulty in trusting, (a problem that can be solved with hypnotherapy.)


I'm sorry, I think you misunderstand: the point of my first statement wasn't that I had a learning disability, which I don't, but rather that the goal is self-improvement and experiencing something new. As to trust issues, well, considering the varied and impressive reports I've heard and read of what hypnosis is able to do, I'm hesitant to leave my subconscious wide open for anybody to toy with. I'd be more inclined to hand my psyche over to a trained, registered professional, but as my behavior is the only expression I can make of my individuality, I feel that I should be very careful about how I change it, and whom I allow to change it.

quote:
It appears that you really are referring to structured autosuggestion
(self-suggestion)with an assumption that anyone can easily enter the trance state to amplify the effect of the suggestions. There are many misunderstandings about this subject. This is the major one.


I think I know what you mean, and if so, then no. I believe I'm interested in using recordings of hypnotic scripts to place my mind in a trance state and then, hopefully, place suggestions in my subconscious that will alter my behavior and, if it's possible, then my physical condition.

It's in regards to the possibility of modifying a person's physiology that I originally posted here. As I said, I'd heard reports, but such transformitive effects... well, seem to belong more correctly to the field of science fiction. If such effects are possible, well, then what couldn't one do with proper application of hypnosis?

Personally, I've been meditating for years now, and while I credit it with promoting the calm, thoughtful person I am today, I have yet to meet the Buddhaha, nor have any success altering my behavior through it.

Anyway, I'll most certainly look up "hypnosis articles" in yahoo; based on the reported success rate of hypnotherapy, and it's low recidivism rate, I really do consider this field to be the future of psychology, but until it's subjected to more intense scientific inquiry, I fear that it will labor on the fringes of holistic healing... which, I feel, is a sad state for one of the most profound mysteries of the human condition.

Thanks for your responses, it's not often a layman or hobbyist gets the opinion of a professional, in any field.

And thank you, HypnoDoc, for pointing me towards this site's article section.

-Hal

P.S. I forgot to mention the reason I rushed right over here this morning: I downloaded a mp3 recording of a script and ran it over headphones. I, obviously, don't know if it had an effect, a placebo effect or no effect, and may never, but I certainly did enter a hypnotic trance state, so I think this might actually be possible.

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mark-gil

United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/12/2006 :  2:44:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Much of hypnotic response and effectiveness remains a mystery!
Research scientists attempt to penetrate the mystery. Trained and skilled hypnotherapists CELEBRATE THE MYSTERY by creatively using techniques and methodology to produce results that are often astonishing. They have an internal need to help others, you have an intellectual need to understand! University training often produces a cynical approach to the non-material world. What is material about the failed theories of Sigmund Freud? Years ago, I had a brilliant psychologist in my class. He stood and told the class,"I became a licensed Psychologist 25 years ago. It took the first ten years for me to undo much of my university training in order to become a good psychotherapist." Finally, there is no University in the USA that includes hypnotherapy as an integral part of the curriculum that leads to degree and licensing as a mental health worker.
I hope this starts a process of your rethinking your learned beliefs.
With Respect, Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]

Edited by - mark-gil on 02/12/2006 3:18:40 PM
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Posted - 02/12/2006 :  3:04:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've always been shocked and disturbed that there isn't more scientific and professional attention paid to hypnosis and hypnotherapy - all the reports I've heard suggest amazing (occasionally seemingly impossible) results, and it disturbs me that there aren't more psychologists knocking down doors to uncover the nature of this mystery.

I dispair for ever having the funding, time and ability to investigate these questions myself, but I would like to make use of these techniques to improve my own life.

None the less, I consider the scientist's virtue of Open-Minded Skepticism a very important value; I have seen enough evidence of hypnosis to believe in both it's functionality, and it's utility, and I'm more then willing to consider that it could have a positive impact on my life...

A critical approach has it's virtues, one merely must not allow it to choke out wonder, innovation and creativity.

-Hal
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mark-gil

United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/12/2006 :  3:10:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit mark-gil's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you for your calm and reasoned responses. I threw some hard balls and you never struck out! Humans are mysterious and wonderful!
Best Wishes in your search, my friend---
Gil Boyne

Gil Boyne
www.gil-boyne.com
[Gil Passed Away May 5, 2010]
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